Desert Snake
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I voted real, however what on earth does ''supernatural'' mean?
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So it wasn't a virgin birth. All these examples from world religion that people use to try to say that the story of Jesus is a rip off of other figures always turn out to be not the case upon closer examination. It's all based on shoddy "research".
Yes. You have to in order to be Catholic.Out of interest, do you believe in Mary's perpetual virginity? I'm assuming yes, but didn't want to assume, hence the question.
To lazy people that don't even bother to examine the subject, sure.It's all just magic and nonsense.
Interesting that the difference between the RCC and the Anglicans is that the RCC says, "Blessed, ever-virgin Mary," while the Anglicans say, "Ever-blessed, virgin Mary."Yes. You have to in order to be Catholic.
Well in that sense everybody is born of a virgin.
I agree with you.
To lazy people that don't even bother to examine the subject, sure.
Do you believe a woman can get pregnant without a man being involved ?
Does science support it ?
However, even if it does mean "young maiden", it implies that said girl is a virgin since it implies that she's unmarried. Unless you want to say that the Messiah is to be born of a fornicator.
It's typically used to described a young unmarried adolescent female.Almah implies youth. It neither implies virginity nor "unmarried". Nor is the child spoken of in the verse implied to be the Messiah.
Yes.So those people that examine the subject over the course of decades and still come away thinking it's little more than mythological hokum are lazy
No. All myths have power and I personally love mythology in general. They are the heart and soul of a people. A people without myths is dead.Correct me if I'm wrong, but you would agree that all other mythological birth stories are just mystical nonsense, right?
"Almah (עלמה, plural: alamot עלמות) is a Hebrew word meaning a young woman of childbearing age who has not yet had a child, and who may be an unmarried virgin or a married young woman"It's typically used to described a young unmarried adolescent female.
Almah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regardless of how many unmarried virgins are referred to as almah, the word almah does not imply either viriginity or not being married. The word almah only identifies a young woman. You cannot build a case for the virgin birth on the word almah.Yes, and?
It obviously does, at least some of the time, if it's translated to mean that.Regardless of how many unmarried virgins are referred to as almah, the word almah does not imply either viriginity or not being married. The word almah only identifies a young woman. You cannot build a case for the virgin birth on the word almah.
It obviously does, at least some of the time, if it's translated to mean that.
As I said, blame the Jews who translated the Septuagint, since they're the ones who translated "almah" as "parthenos".
Yes.
No. All myths have power and I personally love mythology in general. They are the heart and soul of a people. A people without myths is dead.
Excuse me, but what are you talking about?The Septuagint is the 5 books of Moses translated into Greek by Jews. Isaiah was translated much later, and you can't be certain by who. You don't know who translated almah as parthenos. So stop blaming the Jews.
It's part of the cultural view of virginity of the time that a woman was still considered a virgin after rape.BTW, one thing the Jews who translated the Septuagint did do is refer to Dinah as a "parthenos", even though she was not a virgin. So, either parthenos is also a word not designed to refer exclusively to virgins, or perhaps those Jews just couldn't come up with the right word for the moment. Seems a rather shaky thing to base your belief on.
Yes, because I'm a Christian.But actually physically believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, don't you?
No, because I don't believe in nor practice Hellenismos. But I recognize the deep value and power in those stories to those who did/do believe in them. It's the same with other cultures I admire such as the Germanic, the Egyptian and the Aztec. Even cultures I don't feel necessarily drawn towards.Yet you don't actually and physically believe that Perseus was conceived from golden rain, or do you?
Do you believe that Perseus' birth was a legitimate historical even, as portrayed?
The LXX is more than just the Pentateuch. It contains all the books included in the RCC OT.The Septuagint is the 5 books of Moses translated into Greek by Jews. Isaiah was translated much later, and you can't be certain by who. You don't know who translated almah as parthenos. So stop blaming the Jews.
BTW, one thing the Jews who translated the Septuagint did do is refer to Dinah as a "parthenos", even though she was not a virgin. So, either parthenos is also a word not designed to refer exclusively to virgins, or perhaps those Jews just couldn't come up with the right word for the moment. Seems a rather shaky thing to base your belief on.