What do you think of the virgin birth of Jesus ?

[FearGod]

Because I understand the science behind the theory of evolution. I know that for those who don't understand it evolution can seem like a miracle, but it is not.

Do you mean that what had happened to the cell that enabled it to be evolved during billions of years to a human being is very obvious and very rational and even expected to happen in such way.

 

[fantome profane]

Do you mean that what had happened to the cell that enabled it to be evolved during billions of years to a human being is very obvious and very rational and even expected to happen in such way.

Absolutely, what happened is very rational, and not only would it be expected, but it would be absolutely inevitable. And I think to those who have a certain level of education in biological science, that would be obvious.

 

[FearGod]

Absolutely, what happened is very rational, and not only would it be expected, but it would be absolutely inevitable. And I think to those who have a certain level of education in biological science, that would be obvious.

Why do you think it's inevitable for the bacteria to evolve during time to females and males and having their own sex organs ?

 

[fantome profane]

Why do you think it's inevitable for the bacteria to evolve during time to females and males and having their own sex organs ?

Because I am educated on the topic. If you were educated on the topic you would understand it as well.

But I am of the opinion that you do not want to be educated, so please do ask me to try to educate you.

 

[FearGod]

Because I am educated on the topic. If you were educated on the topic you would understand it as well.

But I am of the opinion that you do not want to be educated, so please do ask me to try to educate you.

That make sense.

 

[Mycroft]

Yes, why do you think one is irrational while the other isn't.

The question is meaningless.

 

[FearGod]

The question is meaningless.

That clears the point.

 

[Mycroft]

That clears the point.

The question is meaningless because of the intention behind the asking. You're not genuinely interested in an answer, you just want to point out flaws in people's possible lines of reasoning. Therefore, your question is meaningless.

 

[FearGod]

The question is meaningless because of the intention behind the asking. You're not genuinely interested in an answer, you just want to point out flaws in people's possible lines of reasoning. Therefore, your question is meaningless.

If you can explain it by science then i have to agree with you, but what convince you is that the process needs billionnnnnns of years, very very tiny, tiny, tiny changes through time.

Why it's rational for you that billions of years and random mutations can make a human being from primitive cell.

 

[fantome profane]

If you can explain it by science then i have to agree with you, but what convince you is that the process needs billionnnnnns of years, very very tiny, tiny, tiny changes through time.

Why it's rational for you that billions of years and random mutations can make a human being from primitive cell.

Simple observation tells us that small changes are possible and common where large changes are either impossible or extremely unlikely. And that is why the process needs lots of very tiny changes over a long period of time.

And that is why it is rational that billions of years of evolution can and will inevitably lead from a primitive cell to the diverse lifeforms we see today.

 

[arthra]

The question was posed on the title of the thread:

What do you think of the virgin birth of Jesus ?

Baha'is accept the virgin birth of Jesus...

"First regarding the birth of Jesus Christ. In the light of what Bahá'u'lláh and 'Abdu'l-Bahá have stated concerning this subject it is evident that Jesus came into this world through the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit, and that consequently His birth was quite miraculous. This is an established fact, and the friends need not feel at all surprised, as the belief in the possibility of miracles has never been rejected in the Teachings. Their importance, however, has been minimized."

(From a letter dated December 31, 1937 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer)

(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 489)

 

[FearGod]

Simple observation tells us that small changes are possible and common where large changes are either impossible or extremely unlikely. And that is why the process needs lots of very tiny changes over a long period of time.

And that is why it is rational that billions of years of evolution can and will inevitably lead from a primitive cell to the diverse lifeforms we see today.

And why not leading to fail after fail after fail, why such progress was inevitable as to reach the wise human being ? why the long period of time is a good excuse for the primitive cell to evolve to a human being.

Observations doesn't explain why things have to happen in such way, we know that gravity does exist but that doesn't explain why it happened to be so.
We observe how a seed grows to a huge tree, but that doesn't mean that we know why the seed was made to be so.
We observe that the sperm fertilize the egg, but that doesn't mean that we know why it has to be so.
We observe the sun rises every morning, but that doesn't mean that we know why the earth happened to rotate around itself and to revolve around the sun.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

@Eliab ben Benjamin

Why do you think it's rational that a bacteria can be evolved to a human being by random mutations through time whereas it's irrational to you that a single human being to be asexual at one point of time ?

I see this as two somewhat confusing questions bearing little correlation ... however

Why do you think it's rational that a bacteria can be evolved to a human being by random mutations through time

I do not hold such a belief !

whereas it's irrational to you that a single human being to be asexual at one point of time ?

Not at all irrational, as i find myself in that predicament in this life

 

[Bunyip]

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Why do you think it's rational that a bacteria can be evolved to a human being by random mutations through time whereas it's irrational to you that a single human being to be asexual at one point of time ?

Well that is an easy question to answer. Evolutionary change is an observed process, and virgin births are not.

 

[dust1n]

Why do you think it's rational that a bacteria can be evolved to a human being by random mutations through time whereas it's irrational to you that a single human being to be asexual at one point of time ?

Well if Jesus was produced asexually from Mary, it would be quite surprising if Jesus wasn't a woman and look pretty much like his mother. Asexual reproduction is basically cloning yourself.

Not to mention, a lot more can be achieved in a billion years than in 9 months.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Why do you think it's rational that a bacteria can be evolved to a human being by random mutations through time whereas it's irrational to you that a single human being to be asexual at one point of time ?

Because that's not how evolution, reproduction or biology work.

As has been pointed out to you, just because a thing is a single celled organism, does not necessarily mean that it is "bacteria". But yes, according to genetic evidence, we are related to bacteria.

 

[FearGod]

Well that is an easy question to answer. Evolutionary change is an observed process, and virgin births are not.

Where did you observe a bacteria becoming a human being ?

 

[FearGod]

Well if Jesus was produced asexually from Mary, it would be quite surprising if Jesus wasn't a woman and look pretty much like his mother. Asexual reproduction is basically cloning yourself.

And how a bacteria evolved to males and females with their own distinctive sex organs ?

Not to mention, a lot more can be achieved in a billion years than in 9 months.

Yes true, a lot of complex wiring.

 

[FearGod]

Because that's not how evolution, reproduction or biology work.

As has been pointed out to you, just because a thing is a single celled organism, does not necessarily mean that it is "bacteria". But yes, according to genetic evidence, we are related to bacteria.

And you know how it works, that make sense.

 

[The Hammer]

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Why do you think it's rational that a bacteria can be evolved to a human being by random mutations through time whereas it's irrational to you that a single human being to be asexual at one point of time ?

I am not doubting the validity of asexuality. But I am doubting the fact that something can come from nothing . Sperm and Egg are necessary for a child to be born, so unless she somehow produced both, she had sex.