That is still not total separation, unless they never interact in other environments.
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What does "atheist fundamentalism" mean?
- Thread starter 9-10ths_Penguin
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That is still not total separation, unless they never interact in other environments.
There is such a thing as too much isolation, and it does breed vulnerability to questioning and lack of tolerance.
As I see it, that is what we are fighting against here in this thread.
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I'm glad you made this point. This is it in a nutshell. When Atheist's do half of what SOME Christians do, they become demonised. When Christians do this, they become demonised as well. No double standard here. Most people don't want to hear a sermon and if they did, they would turn on a religious TV or radio station or attend church.
P-tizing is the issue here. No one wants a knock on their door. Tolerance for others is the problem. In a free country, people should be able to pray or not to pray period.
Telling me I cannot pray is just as bad as me telling you to pray.
Some knocks on the door are worse than others.
I have a scale to rank them.
Mild
I don't mind the JWs
Trouble
I don't like one of those lawn services telling me they just sprayed my lawn with some chemicals. I accepted it was an honest error.
Wrath of Revoltingest
Building official lectures me I need a building permit for a barn which had been on my property long before I bought it 25 years ago.
I escorted him to his car, while loudly lecturing him on his deviant sexual practices, what he can do with his boss, & some spicy opinions on the competence of government employees standing on my property without my permission. I might've made some religious references & imprecations too.
I have a scale to rank them.
Mild
I don't mind the JWs
Trouble
I don't like one of those lawn services telling me they just sprayed my lawn with some chemicals. I accepted it was an honest error.
Wrath of Revoltingest
Building official lectures me I need a building permit for a barn which had been on my property long before I bought it 25 years ago.
I escorted him to his car, while loudly lecturing him on his deviant sexual practices, what he can do with his boss, & some spicy opinions on the competence of government employees standing on my property without my permission. I might've made some religious references & imprecations too.
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Who's telling you that you can't pray?
I'm so tempted to try my hand at evangelizing Glompism and the Mystic Manifesto to captive audiences, saying that all y'all are deluded and to escape an eternal torture of deities pointing and laughing at your genitals, you must accept the truth of the Mystic way for eternal salvation on the Trampolines of Love.
Oh, and don't tell me that I can't remind you all that my way is so insanely superior to your way. I'm right and better. My genitals are protected from ridicule forever.
So, it's your choice. Accept the Glomp. Or risk eternal humiliation. I'm just saying.
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Just my little snarky way of contributing to how condescending some folks can be.
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Oh, and don't tell me that I can't remind you all that my way is so insanely superior to your way. I'm right and better. My genitals are protected from ridicule forever.
So, it's your choice. Accept the Glomp. Or risk eternal humiliation. I'm just saying.
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Just my little snarky way of contributing to how condescending some folks can be.
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Conversely how do you interpret "let us pray" into you have to pray?
In addition, I have heard, Please remove your hats for the national anthem but never have heard "bow your head".
When I was in High School, when someone died or such as that we had a moment of silence during an assembly. Some people prayed silently while others just remained quiet out of respect for the dead or used the time to reflect.
Deal. Where do I enlist?
I think it was Jesus that told his followers not to pray in public.
I think very few would oppose this.
Do you experience any personal interference with prayer?
I'm not answering your question until you answer mine.
You must not be a NASCAR fan, then.
It's a common practice. If you don't believe me, I can find some YouTube videos of invocations to show you some examples.
Yes, it was Jesus telling his followers NOT to pray,
Matthew6:5 "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
6"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.…
So, according to Jesus, remember him?, who are these so called Christians that pray in public?
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Rick, I'm pretty sure you know that there are people who have left their family's religion but keep that a secret to avoid potential (and sometimes very likely) negative consequences. In an ideal environment, everyone would be able to act according to what their conscience dictated without worrying about getting chastised for it, but realistically, such an environment is all too rare.
When a school, a public institution (as I take it that we're talking about public schools and not private ones), considers it acceptable for some students to pray while others wait until the ritual has been completed, what kind of situation do you think that puts a student who has left his or her religion in? It is inevitable that, at one point or another, such prayers will happen to be those prescribed by a religion that someone in the classroom has left, especially if it's the majority religion in a given area. So if a student or students sat down and didn't partake in said prayers, it would put them in a situation where they either had to divulge their leaving the religion or make an excuse not to pray if someone asked them why they didn't participate in the ritual.
Do you think that's the sort of thing schools should allow or encourage? I keep seeing arguments against that kind of thing get framed as "atheist preaching," but the actual issue is a far cry from that when you consider certain scenarios that are both very real and very critical for some people.
Perhaps a good way to see the issue from another angle is to imagine yourself in the situation I explained above and think about what that would be like, placing aside your current stance temporarily.
First, accept that you cannot live your life without the Glomp. You are powerless without the Glomp.
Second, after recognizing how lost and unrefined and barbaric you were without the Glomp, open your mind and open your heart to the Glomp. Glompism is based on the truth and evidence is all around you.
Third, accept the Glomp.
Finally, go and Glomp everybody you see. If they don't like it, it's because they're just blind to reality.
AmbiguousGuy
Well-Known Member
Some have hardened their hearts and shut their ears against the Spirit of the Glomp.
It's sad.
Not only that, but there's evidence for it everywhere. See? Watch.
And another.
I mean, people can have their own opinions, but never their own facts. And the fact is the Glomps are everywhere.
Alceste
Vagabond
That Jesus fellow - what an atheist fundamentalist!
Alceste
Vagabond
Hmmm....
Oh, relax. It isn't segregation. You don't have to be Catholic to go to the Catholic school, and anybody, including Catholics, can go to the secular school. The idea is that if a family is adamant that their child receive religious instruction and pray at school, they have somewhere to send that child: An institution that is explicitly, overtly religious in character. They don't have to mess with the education of the rest of the neighborhood kids, who follow a diversity of faiths, or lack thereof. Canadian kids have the right to a secular education that treats their spiritual beliefs as a private matter. Only their parents can interfere with that right.
Alceste
Vagabond
Sure, so do I. I think that's a completely inappropriate use of my tax dollars, but if the alternative is Christian parents trying to inject Christian religious instruction into the curriculum at secular schools, it is certainly better that they have their own separate school board.