What does God want from you?

[URAVIP2ME]

What would you expect a religion to do? Without followers, they have nothing.
Confidence is not a determining factor of Truth. Do not assume the Bible comes from God. It reflects mankind more than anything else. It stares you in the face. Do you seek confidence or Truth?.......................

Yes, a religion would Not be a religion without followers.
Jesus taught the determining factor is that Scripture is ' religious truth ' - John 17:17
Yes, Scripture stares us in the face forewarning us so that we will be forearmed.
The pangs of distress will continue to grow - Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21 - as it was written so it shall be.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

but what about the current increase in destructive storms?
supernatural is magic if controlled by a single party.
funny stuff.
Jesus is not here saving any lives unless you believe that AA meetings are jesus saving lives.
As for raising the lives of the elders to the flesh, then you are completely misunderstanding how and what that means

Yes, just as Luke wrote at Luke 21:11 there will be an increase in fearful sights besides Great earthquakes.
The supernatural things Jesus did was Not magic but due to Jesus having the power of God's spirit.
Yes, the figurative 'sheep' will be ' saved/delivered/ rescued ' at Jesus' coming time found at Matthew 25:31-34,37.
The sleeping dead in God's Hall of Fame - Hebrews 11:13,39 - are still sleeping til Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day governing over Earth.
As with Jesus' friend - John 11:11-14 - those sleeping dead will be restored to life to live life on Earth.

 

[Bird123]

God has revealed laws. So much of what you have said about God simply isn't true. The laws you think are from mankind come from God alone.

God is not going to tell anybody what to do, nor intimidate our choices in any way. God's laws don't do any of these things.

If you say if you do not follow these laws, you won't be close to God, this is intimidation, coercing, threats and manipulation, If you say if you do not follow God's laws, you will go to Hell, this is intimidation, coercing, threats and manipulation.

Ok, say God made your mankind laws. Who enforces these laws? How?

That which you think are God's laws were created by mankind. There really has never been a need for laws. God is teaching not controlling. God is never going to tell someone don't make that choice. God will teach us all what our choices really are.

Hmmm? What have I said about God that isn't true???

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

I don't make any rules. I am just telling you what God does not do.

My attempt at controlling God? This just gets worse and worse. I was just telling you what God does not do.

No, I won't be surprised because God will never do what you believe He will do. You live in a world of delusion.

That's what I see, It's very clear!!

That which does not fit in your box of beliefs is now delusion????

Truth can be stranger than beliefs. Be open to all the possibilities for you will see them again.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Yes, a religion would Not be a religion without followers.
Jesus taught the determining factor is that Scripture is ' religious truth ' - John 17:17
Yes, Scripture stares us in the face forewarning us so that we will be forearmed.
The pangs of distress will continue to grow - Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21 - as it was written so it shall be.

Pangs of Distress??? What is there to be distressed about? God has fixed it all ahead of time for we are all Eternal!!

People sharing their views is part of the system. On the other hand, it is up to each to decide for themselves what the best choices really are. God isn't going to tell anyone this. Each must learn for themselves through their free choices.

Forearmed??? I am not going to be armed at all. WE are all God's children. It is an US. What good would armaments do me?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

If you say if you do not follow these laws, you won't be close to God, this is intimidation, coercing, threats and manipulation, If you say if you do not follow God's laws, you will go to Hell, this is intimidation, coercing, threats and manipulation.

But that is not what the Baha'i Faith teaches. It teaches that if we don't Love God, we won't be close to God. We won't go to hell because we did not follow God's laws, but we might go to hell if we hate God, since hell is remoteness from God.

Ok, say God made your mankind laws. Who enforces these laws? How?

God revealed laws through the Messenger and He wrote them down in a book. In the Baha'i Faith it is the Universal House of Justice (UHJ) who will enforce these laws in the future. The only laws I know of that are enforced are laws that could cause a Baha'i to lose their rights to vote in Baha'i elections.

There are no punishments for breaking the laws if they only involve our own personal behaviors that don't affect other people. For example, it is a law that we recite one Obligatory Prayer each day, but there is no punishment for not reciting it since that is a personal matter.

That which you think are God's laws were created by mankind. There really has never been a need for laws. God is teaching not controlling.

I don't know about all the other religions, but God revealed Laws to Moses and Jesus, so they are in the Bible. These laws are not meant to control people, they are meant to protect people from themselves and each other.

God is never going to tell someone don't make that choice. God will teach us all what our choices really are.

God is never going to tell us not to make choices. it is our choice to follow God's laws or not.

Hmmm? What have I said about God that isn't true???

You said that God's laws were created by mankind. God's laws were revealed by God to Messengers of God.

 

[Trailblazer]

That which does not fit in your box of beliefs is now delusion????

Do you accept that which does not fit in your box of beliefs?

Truth can be stranger than beliefs. Be open to all the possibilities for you will see them again.

That's true.

 

[Bird123]

But that is not what the Baha'i Faith teaches. It teaches that if we don't Love God, we won't be close to God. We won't go to hell because we did not follow God's laws, but we might go to hell if we hate God, since hell is remoteness from God.

God revealed laws through the Messenger and He wrote them down in a book. In the Baha'i Faith it is the Universal House of Justice (UHJ) who will enforce these laws in the future. The only laws I know of that are enforced are laws that could cause a Baha'i to lose their rights to vote in Baha'i elections.

There are no punishments for breaking the laws if they only involve our own personal behaviors that don't affect other people. For example, it is a law that we recite one Obligatory Prayer each day, but there is no punishment for not reciting it since that is a personal matter.

I don't know about all the other religions, but God revealed Laws to Moses and Jesus, so they are in the Bible. These laws are not meant to control people, they are meant to protect people from themselves and each other.

God is never going to tell us not to make choices. it is our choice to follow God's laws or not.

You said that God's laws were created by mankind. God's laws were revealed by God to Messengers of God.

Do you want to raise your children with crutches? Why do you think God wants to raise His children with messengers as crutches? In truth, mankind has convinced you of the need for crutches. You can walk without crutches. You are only afraid.

God's system has been working since the beginning. Before mankind created religions and created all those laws you think came from God, how did people ever get along? No messengers, no crutches to lean on. How did they ever survive?

Throughout all of time, how many heard of messengers and how many haven't? The have are outnumbered more than you can imagine. What kind of a system is this? Does it really reflect High Intelligence? I don't see it. I see those messenger attempting to teach goodness, however teaching so many of those petty things mankind holds so dear as well. This is not God regardless of how badly you want it to be.

Is how close your children are to you really dependent on any of their choices or actions? Why do you think God is a monster that would give special status to any one of His children over others? Why do you want this to be true? Your math never adds up. Start with understanding yourself and why you make the choices you make.

Why do you need crutches? Do you feel not good enough for God? Is that your fear? Who has convinced you of this? Messengers?? Can't you see all God's children are equal. There has never been a need to hate or be jealous. Sure, kiddies are all at different levels of understanding, however why does that matter? Everyone, in time, will Discover it all.

There is no need to hate others. If you value the petty things mankind holds so dear, you will walk a bumpy road until you understand all sides. It seems this is the route you must and need to take. Great!! Should I hate, judge, condemn, blame, label you evil or any of the other petty things? Of course not. You too will understand after enough lessons. Why would I want to hurt everyone by making the bad choices of all those petty things? It would not be an Intelligent thing to do! Why would you think these petty choices are good?

God makes no laws. God enforces no laws. God is Unconditional. Love and Lessons what else is there?
God is very very smart. All this was figured out before the universe was created.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Do you accept that which does not fit in your box of beliefs?

That's true.

I do not ACCEPT anything! I Discover what the Truth really is.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

Do you want to raise your children with crutches? Why do you think God wants to raise His children with messengers as crutches? In truth, mankind has convinced you of the need for crutches. You can walk without crutches. You are only afraid.

Messengers are not crutches, they are guides. You have no guide, you just guide yourself and consider that the Path of Truth.

“If any man be told that which hath been ordained for such a soul in the worlds of God, the Lord of the throne on high and of earth below, his whole being will instantly blaze out in his great longing to attain that most exalted, that sanctified and resplendent station…. The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men. The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High. The light which these souls radiate is responsible for the progress of the world and the advancement of its peoples.”​

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 156-157​

God's system has been working since the beginning. Before mankind created religions and created all those laws you think came from God, how did people ever get along? No messengers, no crutches to lean on. How did they ever survive?

You are absolutely correct. God's system has been working since the beginning, even before mankind created religions. God's system has always been to send Messengers.

God’s grace and mercy come to the world by means of the Messengers of God. If for one moment God’s mercy and grace were to be withheld from the world, it would completely perish. That mercy and grace is bestowed upon mankind by means of the Messengers that God who bring the Holy Spirit and a “message” mankind needs for its present-day situation in order to survive and thrive. Whether people believe in them or not, no one has ever escaped these Messengers and they have never been hindered from achieving their purpose. They have been sent from eternity, and they will continue to succeed each other for eternity. The Grace of God can never cease from flowing.

I see those messenger attempting to teach goodness, however teaching so many of those petty things mankind holds so dear as well. This is not God regardless of how badly you want it to be.

The Messengers do not teach anything petty. Nothing that God reveals is petty.

Why do you think God is a monster that would give special status to any one of His children over others? Why do you want this to be true?

You are creating another straw man. God does not give special status to anyone except Messengers, who are another order of creation above ordinary humans.. I don't want this to be true, I believe it is true.

Why do you need crutches? Do you feel not good enough for God? Is that your fear? Who has convinced you of this? Messengers??

Messengers are not crutches, they are guides. You have no guide, you just guide yourself and consider that the Path of Truth. It is sad.

You do not want Messengers to be true because you are afraid of losing your belief that all you need is yourself. Good luck with that.

Can't you see all God's children are equal.

No, all men are not equal in the sight of God, sorry.

“Let no one imagine that by Our assertion that all created things are the signs of the revelation of God is meant that—God forbid—all men, be they good or evil, pious or infidel, are equal in the sight of God.” Gleanings, p. 187​

There has never been a need to hate or be jealous. Sure, kiddies are all at different levels of understanding, however why does that matter? Everyone, in time, will Discover it all.

Why does it matter if people murder other people for no reason other than the thrill of the kill or for money or sex? Wake up and smell the coffee! No, there is no reason to believe these people will ever Discover anything. That is just a belief you hold.

There is no need to hate others.

Who said anything about hate? Justice is not hate.

God makes no laws. God enforces no laws. God is Unconditional. Love and Lessons what else is there?
God is very very smart. All this was figured out before the universe was created.

You know nothing about God except what you make up in your head, which is a God made to be the way you want God to be.

God reveals laws and humans enforce laws. With no laws the world would come to a complete standstill.
You live in a paper doll world you made up, where nobody is ever punished for any wrongdoing.

There is much more to life than Unconditional Love. Not everyone learns their Lessons and meanwhile other people are hurt.

Logic is not your strength.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

I do not ACCEPT anything! I Discover what the Truth really is.

The Truth is that God sends Messengers. When are you going to Discover that?

 

[Bird123]

Messengers are not crutches, they are guides. You have no guide, you just guide yourself and consider that the Path of Truth.

“If any man be told that which hath been ordained for such a soul in the worlds of God, the Lord of the throne on high and of earth below, his whole being will instantly blaze out in his great longing to attain that most exalted, that sanctified and resplendent station…. The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men. The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High. The light which these souls radiate is responsible for the progress of the world and the advancement of its peoples.”​

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 156-157​

You are absolutely correct. God's system has been working since the beginning, even before mankind created religions. God's system has always been to send Messengers.

God’s grace and mercy come to the world by means of the Messengers of God. If for one moment God’s mercy and grace were to be withheld from the world, it would completely perish. That mercy and grace is bestowed upon mankind by means of the Messengers that God who bring the Holy Spirit and a “message” mankind needs for its present-day situation in order to survive and thrive. Whether people believe in them or not, no one has ever escaped these Messengers and they have never been hindered from achieving their purpose. They have been sent from eternity, and they will continue to succeed each other for eternity. The Grace of God can never cease from flowing.

The Messengers do not teach anything petty. Nothing that God reveals is petty.

You are creating another straw man. God does not give special status to anyone except Messengers, who are another order of creation above ordinary humans.. I don't want this to be true, I believe it is true.

Messengers are not crutches, they are guides. You have no guide, you just guide yourself and consider that the Path of Truth. It is sad.

You do not want Messengers to be true because you are afraid of losing your belief that all you need is yourself. Good luck with that.

No, all men are not equal in the sight of God, sorry.

“Let no one imagine that by Our assertion that all created things are the signs of the revelation of God is meant that—God forbid—all men, be they good or evil, pious or infidel, are equal in the sight of God.” Gleanings, p. 187​

Why does it matter if people murder other people for no reason other than the thrill of the kill or for money or sex? Wake up and smell the coffee! No, there is no reason to believe these people will ever Discover anything. That is just a belief you hold.

Who said anything about hate? Justice is not hate.

You know nothing about God except what you make up in your head, which is a God made to be the way you want God to be.

God reveals laws and humans enforce laws. With no laws the world would come to a complete standstill.
You live in a paper doll world you made up, where nobody is ever punished for any wrongdoing.

There is much more to life than Unconditional Love. Not everyone learns their Lessons and meanwhile other people are hurt.

Logic is not your strength.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

So messengers are getting you ready for Heaven. If you are unable without messengers, then messengers are a crutch to help get you by? If messengers were part of the system God planned, why did they wait so long to show up? What about all those poor souls without those crutches? How could they ever had made it? How did the world ever survive it?

Ok, you say messengers get you ready to go to Heaven. How could Heaven even exist when people have been taught and learned to value all those petty things mankind holds so dear? Do you really think a Heavenly state is possible valuing all those petty things?

Isn't it just more hate and condemning to say people do not learn. I do not believe anyone can go through life and learn nothing. Since there is no time limit on learning, why must you value those petty things mankind holds so dear?

What does grace and mercy have to do with anything? God has fixed everything ahead of time. We are all eternal!! Has your religion taught you that you are in need of mercy because there is something wrong with you??? Explain this grace stuff. God always does what is best for His children. Has the messengers taught you that you get special help? Do you want to believe in grace and mercy??? WHY????

You speak of Justice, yet you use Justice to hide your desire for payback, revenge and vengeance. You want to punish and hurt those who have hurt you. You want payback over just merely fixing the problem.

OK, let's speak of Justice. If the messengers get you closer to God, what justice is there for those who lived before messengers. They supposedly can't get as close to God since they had no messengers. WHERE IS THE JUSTICE?????

Just like so many stories religions have created in their quest to gain followers, the MATH does not add up. You can make it all up and talk people into agreeing, however God is much better at Math than all the religions and so called messengers of the world.

Your messenger's very words prove it doesn't come from God.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

The Truth is that God sends Messengers. When are you going to Discover that?

I have Discovered this is not true. I can not change the Truth. On the other hand, people can change their misguided beliefs.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

I have Discovered this is not true. I can not change the Truth. On the other hand, people can change their misguided beliefs.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

No, you have not Discovered that, you only Believe that you have Discovered that.

You cannot change the Truth about Messengers with your man-made Beliefs.

 

[CG Didymus]

So messengers are getting you ready for Heaven. If you are unable without messengers, then messengers are a crutch to help get you by? If messengers were part of the system God planned, why did they wait so long to show up? What about all those poor souls without those crutches? How could they ever had made it? How did the world ever survive it?

Here is what a Baha'i says about guiding people...

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God will never leave humanity without appropriate guidance and assistance in the form of these divine emissaries and the spiritual sustenance they impart, the new knowledge they reveal, and the exemplary lives they live.​

​

But religious and spiritual beliefs vary way too much for me to think there was ever a single source, the supposed one true God, that revealed truth through special men, manifestations of God. Plus, we do have false religions that believe in false Gods. I have never heard a Baha'i answer about the ancient religions of Egypt, Greece, China... Religions that had Sun Gods, Storm Gods etc.

How could a true message, from a supposedly true messenger, from this supposedly true God get so messed up? Even Baha'i approved religions like Hinduism and Buddhism have very little in common with the Abrahamic religions. And within the Abrahamic religions, Christianity is so very different than the others.

For me, this is part of the evidence against the Baha'i Faith being true.

 

[Trailblazer]

So messengers are getting you ready for Heaven. If you are unable without messengers, then messengers are a crutch to help get you by?

No, that is NOT what I said. The Messengers educate mankind and prepare them for life in the spiritual world. They are not crutches, they are guides. Don't you know the 'difference' between a crutch and a guide?

"The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High. The light which these souls radiate is responsible for the progress of the world and the advancement of its peoples.”​

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 156-157​

If messengers were part of the system God planned, why did they wait so long to show up? What about all those poor souls without those crutches? How could they ever had made it? How did the world ever survive it?

They did not wait. Messengers have always been sent to humanity, ever since the dawn of man.

Ok, you say messengers get you ready to go to Heaven. How could Heaven even exist when people have been taught and learned to value all those petty things mankind holds so dear? Do you really think a Heavenly state is possible valuing all those petty things?

Get over it. Nobody is valuing those things.
People are not being taught and learning to value what you refer to as 'those petty things mankind holds so dear.'

Isn't it just more hate and condemning to say people do not learn. I do not believe anyone can go through life and learn nothing. Since there is no time limit on learning, why must you value those petty things mankind holds so dear?

Everyone learns through living life but not everyone stops doing things like committing crimes and not everyone stops hating others.
Yes, there is a time limit on learning as we only have until the end of this earthly life.

What does grace and mercy have to do with anything? God has fixed everything ahead of time. We are all eternal!! Has your religion taught you that you are in need of mercy because there is something wrong with you??? Explain this grace stuff. God always does what is best for His children. Has the messengers taught you that you get special help? Do you want to believe in grace and mercy??? WHY????

Everyone is in need of God's mercy because we all do wrong things since nobody is perfect.

Grace is not 'special help' for special people. Everyone gets God's grace.

"Grace is a constant theme in the Bible, and it culminates in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus (John 1:17). The word translated "grace" in the New Testament comes from the Greek word charis, which means “favor, blessing, or kindness.” We can all extend grace to others; but when the word grace is used in connection with God, it takes on a more powerful meaning. Grace is God choosing to bless us rather than curse us as our sin deserves. It is His benevolence to the undeserving."

What is the grace of God? | GotQuestions.org

What is the grace of God? What does it mean that God is gracious? What does the grace of God mean, practically speaking?

www.gotquestions.org

You speak of Justice, yet you use Justice to hide your desire for payback, revenge and vengeance. You want to punish and hurt those who have hurt you. You want payback over just merely fixing the problem.

Stop misrepresenting me with the straw man because I am getting really tired of it.

I have no desire for payback, revenge and vengeance.
I don't want to punish and hurt those who have hurt me. Nobody has even hurt me!

Justice is not payback, revenge or vengeance, it is punishment when punishment is deserved.

OK, let's speak of Justice. If the messengers get you closer to God, what justice is there for those who lived before messengers. They supposedly can't get as close to God since they had no messengers. WHERE IS THE JUSTICE?????

There is no such thing as 'before the Messengers' since Messengers have come to humanity since the dawn of man, so nobody has ever been without a Messenger..

God's mercy comes to humanity through the Messengers, who have been sent by God from the beginning of time.

“Can one of sane mind ever seriously imagine that, in view of certain words the meaning of which he cannot comprehend, the portal of God’s infinite guidance can ever be closed in the face of men? Can he ever conceive for these Divine Luminaries, these resplendent Lights either a beginning or an end? What outpouring flood can compare with the stream of His all-embracing grace, and what blessing can excel the evidences of so great and pervasive a mercy? There can be no doubt whatever that if for one moment the tide of His mercy and grace were to be withheld from the world, it would completely perish. For this reason, from the beginning that hath no beginning the portals of Divine mercy have been flung open to the face of all created things, and the clouds of Truth will continue to the end that hath no end to rain on the soil of human capacity, reality and personality their favors and bounties. Such hath been God’s method continued from everlasting to everlasting.”​

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 68-69​

Just like so many stories religions have created in their quest to gain followers, the MATH does not add up. You can make it all up and talk people into agreeing, however God is much better at Math than all the religions and so called messengers of the world.

It is not all the religions with faulty MATH. You are the one with the MATH does not add up.
You have your own private version of MATH, one you invented to go with what you want to Believe about God.

Your messenger's very words prove it doesn't come from God.

You have that backwards. Your very words prove that what you say doesn't come from God.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

How could a true message, from a supposedly true messenger, from this supposedly true God get so messed up?

Humans.

 

[Bird123]

No, you have not Discovered that, you only Believe that you have Discovered that.

You cannot change the Truth about Messengers with your man-made Beliefs.

So you believe I have not Discovered. Is it all Beliefs with you? Do you Discover anything for yourself? Do you even try? Why not?

I know this lady who when had a problem would always go to her husband so he could solve it. She went years and years doing this until the day her husband died. Suddenly, she was in the real world. She was frightened and lost at what to do.

She started coming to me to solve her problems. I gave her a few suggestions but made her solve her own problems. She soon Discovered she was more capable than she realized. She didn't need the CRUTCH to get by. She was not meant to follow and accept. She was meant to stand on her own two feet and Discover the answers for herself. She Discovered if she made a mistake that is perfectly ok. She would learn what not to do. It's the wins that count. The losses help us get to the wins but no one ever counts the losses anyway!!

A very wise person told me when I way young, in school. Sometimes the roughest roads will end up with the Best View!!

If what I say frightens anyone, worry not! You already know God whether you know you know or not. Further, don't believe all that mankind says about God. So much is said about God that simply isn't true. You are really going to like God, so much so that you are going to want to be just like God. So, be who you must! It's a part of the plan! Listen to the advice of others but walk your own path. Widen your view! There is so much more to see than most realize. Think, then act rather than react. You will find your choices and results will turn out so much better for all.

No matter how bad it seems, look for the goodness that exists around us all. If you make that goodness more important, you will always be happy. God loves everyone Unconditionally. It has never ever been about punishment. In time, God will make sure to know just that. You are more Special than you realize. Share yourself with those around you. The Mosaic of this world makes you where you need to be for everyone. Smile and look around you. Someone around you needs that which is you.

Truth can sometimes be a scary thing. On the other hand, we are all walking to a Better, Higher Level. Sometimes the roughest roads will end up with the Best View!! I cry that!!

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Here is what a Baha'i says about guiding people...

​

God will never leave humanity without appropriate guidance and assistance in the form of these divine emissaries and the spiritual sustenance they impart, the new knowledge they reveal, and the exemplary lives they live.​

​

But religious and spiritual beliefs vary way too much for me to think there was ever a single source, the supposed one true God, that revealed truth through special men, manifestations of God. Plus, we do have false religions that believe in false Gods. I have never heard a Baha'i answer about the ancient religions of Egypt, Greece, China... Religions that had Sun Gods, Storm Gods etc.

How could a true message, from a supposedly true messenger, from this supposedly true God get so messed up? Even Baha'i approved religions like Hinduism and Buddhism have very little in common with the Abrahamic religions. And within the Abrahamic religions, Christianity is so very different than the others.

For me, this is part of the evidence against the Baha'i Faith being true.

You are right!! It stares us in the face.
Your Math looks good!!

Believers who really like their beliefs can ignore so much truth that surrounds them. In the end, reality will be better than any box of beliefs one chooses to live in. On the other hand, some must learn this for themselves.

Religion is mankind's attempt to understand God. How are they doing? I have found no religion that really understands God at all. I think if they all came together they would at least be closer. Every religion claims a connection with God such as messengers or God's word as a holy book. In reality, God's system requires none of that. All the knowledge surrounds us all. It stares us in the face. God hides nothing. Widen your view. It is there waiting to be Discovered.

There are lots of lessons to learn around religion. Religion is a catalyst that brings so many of mankind's problems to the surface so they can be dealt with. Since religion is a creation of mankind, it too can become a problem. I say Believe nothing. Question everything. Discover on your own rather than accept and follow. We are all made to THINK!! We are all made to stand on our own two feet without the need for crutches to get by . God gave everyone a different view to guaranty mankind a larger view than any one person could have. Explore the diversity of views. One might even Discover greater wisdom from a homeless person than the greatest religious leader. Be open to all possibilities, Knowledge and wisdom can show up when one least expects it.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

So you believe I have not Discovered. Is it all Beliefs with you? Do you Discover anything for yourself? Do you even try? Why not?

You Believe that you have Discovered something about God. It's all Beliefs with you.

I said: The Truth is that God sends Messengers. When are you going to Discover that?
You said: I have Discovered this is not true. I can not change the Truth. On the other hand, people can change their misguided beliefs.

You Believe that you have Discovered that it is not true that God sends Messengers, but you HAVE NOT Discovered that, you only Believe that.

You already know God whether you know you know or not.

What I know about God is what has been revealed by the Messengers of God, but that doesn't mean I KNOW God. I only know what was revealed about God, some attributes of God and God's will for humanity in this age. I don't know the Essence of God, nobody knows that.

Further, don't believe all that mankind says about God. So much is said about God that simply isn't true.

That is why I do not believe what you say about God. As part of mankind so much of what you say about God simply isn't true.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!