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What does it mean to be spiritual?

Windwalker

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I find I am using the term "spiritual" less and less as the meaning morphs into neo-hashtag acceptance. To me, it's a label people use to flatter themselves into thinking they are better than other human animals.
Yes, sort of like using the word love. Considering what some people call love, I think we should give the power of words over to them who have no idea what it means and use it badly, and stop using the word love ourselves. Then again, I think it may better to not give them the power over words and reclaim their valid meaning so others can have a meaningful discussion using them, since words like love and spirituality do have actual meaning to those who actually plumb their depths. Then it becomes apparent by what is being said and by whom whether they are just merely hacks, or know what they're talking about.
 
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Sha'irullah

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??? Just opinion?

Fact not opinion. Look up the word spirit and you will find confusion. I use the word spirit and soul all the time and for some reason people include metaphysics and an afterlife into it when both of those words make no such reference in their meanings
 

Windwalker

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Fact not opinion. Look up the word spirit and you will find confusion. I use the word spirit and soul all the time and for some reason people include metaphysics and an afterlife into it when both of those words make no such reference in their meanings
I use the word love all the time, and for some reason people include things like bunny rabbits in a clover patch, or a sex worker wearing high-heels. I guess love is a meaningless word.
 

Sha'irullah

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I use the word love all the time, and for some reason people include things like bunny rabbits in a clover patch, or a sex worker wearing high-heels. I guess love is a meaningless word.

Haha! Love is a meaningless word now a days and this is thanks to our inability to grasps the English language.
 

Windwalker

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Haha! Love is a meaningless word now a days and this is thanks to our inability to grasps the English language.
Actually, if anything it has to do with our lack of depth. One doesn't understanding what love is by reading a dictionary.
 

Sha'irullah

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Actually, if anything it has to do with our lack of depth. One doesn't understanding what love is by reading a dictionary.

I declare nonsense on that. People seem to be entirely unaware that there is a word called sex which has nothing to do with love. Lack of depth is one half of the issue but the first one is our usage of words and that we do not take into consideration their literal meanings
 

Windwalker

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I declare nonsense on that. People seem to be entirely unaware that there is a word called sex which has nothing to do with love. Lack of depth is one half of the issue but the first one is our usage of words and that we do not take into consideration their literal meanings
What is the literal meaning of love? What is the literal meaning of spirit? What is the literal meaning of any abstractions? Is such a thing possible?
 

Sha'irullah

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What is the literal meaning of love? What is the literal meaning of spirit? What is the literal meaning of any abstractions? Is such a thing possible?

To an extent. Certain words which are conflated to be the same such as love and sex clearly are not. They are not even categorized in similar definitions. One being emotional and the other biological(physical). A simple distinction like that would help greatly but this is often ignored.
I am asexual so perhaps I take notice of this more than others but I have noticed many people getting confused on how I can love somebody and not have sex with them. What they do not realize is that almost all individuals love their parents yet do not engage in sex with them. We keep thinking that the word love has further implications when it ends at a point which is emotional. People always inflate words with additional meaning that are attributed to other definitive words
 

Windwalker

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To an extent. Certain words which are conflated to be the same such as love and sex clearly are not. They are not even categorized in similar definitions. One being emotional and the other biological(physical). A simple distinction like that would help greatly but this is often ignored.
But the fact that love can be experienced through sex associates them in people's minds. To "make love" is in fact a meaningful expression. And so with words like soul or spirit, people associate them with a symbolic context, such as heaven, angels, afterlife, and so forth. At the core of this is a legitimate experience, even if in their minds they are unable to understanding them beyond the context of the symbol.

This is why someone, say a Christian who uses a certain mythological framework, experiences the spiritual, they will associate it it with those beliefs. They validate the belief, and the belief provides a context for which they have their experience. They are fused together for them. In time, with a certain maturity, they can understanding spirituality found in many contexts, and the contexts are ultimately incidental to understanding the nature of the spiritual itself.

A young person views sex with their mate as love. And if the partner does not reciprocate for whatever reason, the immature response is "Don't you love me?". Or in the case of feeling spiritually disconnected, "Where are you God?! What have I done wrong?" In time, as we grow we become aware that love is expressed and known in many ways, and love as a word takes on far greater depth and significance. The same with "spiritual", where to the novice it means a shiny crystal or various religious artifacts. But there is a depth of understanding that loosens the associations like this. And so "the afterlife" really doesn't do all too much to speak about what is spiritual.

I really don't believe simply defining a word like love or spirit is anything that can be reasoned. It has to be experienced, and then its simply a matter of plumbing its depths and not being married to defining it at all. Poetry is a far better language to use, and dictionaries are quite poor substitutes for poetry! :)

I am asexual so perhaps I take notice of this more than others but I have noticed many people getting confused on how I can love somebody and not have sex with them.
That's because you have a different perspective. They don't have your context, and are seeing through the filters of their biology and culture and maturity. Again, the word isn't at fault. The stage of development is.

What they do not realize is that almost all individuals love their parents yet do not engage in sex with them. We keep thinking that the word love has further implications when it ends at a point which is emotional. People always inflate words with additional meaning that are attributed to other definitive words
One of the things a therapist may do to show someone that love is not dependent on another is to have them think of that person and experience the love associated with them. Then they have them focus on the love itself, and remove the person from it. Once the associated person is removed, and they are still experiencing love, they become aware that love is something they already have independently from the trigger that evokes that for them. That is maturity opening up. That is expanding ones understanding of what love is. And so it goes....

Again, my whole issue is when someone says spirituality is a meaningless word because some people fuse it with things like crystal pyramids and channeling Chief Great Elk from the spirit realms. And whatnot.
 
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atanu

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Fact not opinion. Look up the word spirit and you will find confusion. I use the word spirit and soul all the time and for some reason people include metaphysics and an afterlife into it when both of those words make no such reference in their meanings

That is no reason to trash the word itself.
 

Sha'irullah

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But the fact that love can be experienced through sex associates them in people's minds. To "make love" is in fact a meaningful expression. And so with words like soul or spirit, people associate them with a symbolic context, such as heaven, angels, afterlife, and so forth. At the core of this is a legitimate experience, even if in their minds they are unable to understanding them beyond the context of the symbol.

This is why someone, say a Christian who uses a certain mythological framework, experiences the spiritual, they will associate it it with those beliefs. They validate the belief, and the belief provides a context for which they have their experience. They are fused together for them. In time, with a certain maturity, they can understanding spirituality found in many contexts, and the contexts are ultimately incidental to understanding the nature of the spiritual itself.

A young person views sex with their mate as love. And if the partner does not reciprocate for whatever reason, the immature response is "Don't you love me?". Or in the case of feeling spiritually disconnected, "Where are you God?! What have I done wrong?" In time, as we grow we become aware that love is expressed and known in many ways, and love as a word takes on far greater depth and significance. The same with "spiritual", where to the novice it means a shiny crystal or various religious artifacts. But there is a depth of understanding that loosens the associations like this. And so "the afterlife" really doesn't do all too much to speak about what is spiritual.

I really don't believe simply defining a word like love or spirit is anything that can be reasoned. It has to be experienced, and then its simply a matter of plumbing its depths and not being married to defining it at all. Poetry is a far better language to use, and dictionaries are quite poor substitutes for poetry! :)


That's because you have a different perspective. They don't have your context, and are seeing through the filters of their biology and culture and maturity. Again, the word isn't at fault. The stage of development is.


One of the things a therapist may do to show someone that love is not dependent on another is to have them think of that person and experience the love associated with them. Then they have them focus on the love itself, and remove the person from it. Once the associated person is removed, and they are still experiencing love, they become aware that love is something they already have independently from the trigger that evokes that for them. That is maturity opening up. That is expanding ones understanding of what love is. And so it goes....

Again, my whole issue is when someone says spirituality is a meaningless word because some people fuse it with things like crystal pyramids and channeling Chief Great Elk from the spirit realms. And whatnot.

You have now confused me further on what the word spiritual means. I am now positively certain that if the word cannot survive a proper dictionary analysis nor make a meaningful metaphorical or symbolic reference to something it is a useless word
 

arcanum

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Speaking as a person who has had what could be called spiritual experiences and having read quite a bit by and about others who have had them, I would say one key ingredient would be the ego has to be passive or inactive. The normal everyday mode of beta wave scattered egoic state of consciousness and the genuine spiritual experience are almost incompatible. One has to be absorbed or totally immersed, in the zone is another phrase for it.
 
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roger1440

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I hear this phrase so many times and even someone I used to respect like Idris Elba used this word. When a person states they are spiritual I know very well they are spiritual because they are breathing and seem alive. What has occurred to the word spirit in order for it to be used so wrongly and be applied to matters that make no sense in religious claims.
It’s a term dumb people use to appear smart. It usually best for these people to keep their mouth shut and have others think they are dumb rather than opening their mouth and removing all doubt. To put it another way, it’s a meaningless term. About a year ago I came across a woman’s personal ad that said, “I’m spiritual but not religious.” I had asked her what she had meant by that. She told me to go look it up. The woman didn’t have an answer for me, LOL.
 

Windwalker

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You have now confused me further on what the word spiritual means. I am now positively certain that if the word cannot survive a proper dictionary analysis nor make a meaningful metaphorical or symbolic reference to something it is a useless word
Dictionaries are not the definers of words. People are. Dictionaries simply attempt to follow behind how people use the words and feebly attempt to list their limited understandings of what people mean by them. The compilers of dictionaries are not specialists of the meaning of all words, and are therefore not the source you go to to understand what a word like spiritual means in a specialized context. (I need to start a thread called The Myth of Dictionaries).

The word spiritual most definitely does have deeply meaningful symbolic reference. I use it all the time and it doesn't covey Casper the Ghost meanings to me. Perhaps the problem is your lack of exposure to a more sophisticated crowd? Don't blame the word itself because you think its used in meaningless ways. I hear that too, but I see the problem with them, not with the word itself. It ain't a dictionary that's going to help overcome that lack of insight. ;)
 

arcanum

Active Member
It’s a term dumb people use to appear smart. It usually best for these people to keep their mouth shut and have others think they are dumb rather than opening their mouth and removing all doubt. To put it another way, it’s a meaningless term. About a year ago I came across a woman’s personal ad that said, “I’m spiritual but not religious.” I had asked her what she had meant by that. She told me to go look it up. The woman didn’t have an answer for me, LOL.
I would disagree with your rather harsh treatment of what it means to be spiritual. Do you think religious and spiritual are one and the same thing?
 

DreadFish

Cosmic Vagabond
In the most simple terms, being "spiritual but not religious" implies to me that a person believes some various religious ideas but does not follow or practice a particular religion.

Besides that, it has spread like a meme and a lot of people use the phrase like how a lot of teenagers used to say "I like all music except country and rap".
 
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