What does Satan have to do with satanism?

[jasonwill2]

Oh my God! The whole Satanist directory has gone straight to Hell! It's utter chaos!

 

[Orias]

What has led you to believe God´s name is Satan?

I wouldn't say that its Gods' name specifically but I definitely discovered God because of the opposition.

What I hold as God is a combination of symbolism as well as a hint of literalism.

God to me, is invocation and being.

If you watch a lion tackle a gazelle, he is doing so for survival. He is essentially making a nature lower than himself obsolete.

Hence nature strives to undo nature, and the universe attempts to understand itself.

This is us, and essentially this is God. Though what we don't know is all the more divine than our own purpose, for it is in my belief that the true God cannot truly be known.

I am not even sure how to ask what I mean to ask, but I think the question goes along to which are your pantheons and whow did you reach to them?

I am pantheistic, which means I believe in any and all Gods.

I reached my understanding of them through my use of the "baphomet" which is a composition of words meaning "absorption of knowledge".

Of course, I came by this knowledge with my interest in Satanism.

As for how I actually reached them, well its the same way we all do. Because we exist.

(the question is more directed to those who do believe in the true existence of this beings, and not only as psychological representations. That said, explanations of all help understand different views on it)

A true existence is definitely a psychological representation.

And the god of the bible enters this pantheon as... is he still viewed as the creator?

Which God, in which bible?

I assume you mean the one everyone believes in, and in that case no.

He is the undertaker.

or how is he viewed? from where does this being that the bible cals "god" in genesis comes? from satan?

It is in my belief that he arises from the Canaanite God of death, Mot. Which can be referenced to be heavily saturated with the Satanic nature of opposition.

 

[Rocky S]

I'm aggravated because there is so much dishonesty and self deceit going on here.

If Christians didn't follow Christianity then they wouldn't be Christians. Judgement is simply part of our human nature, someone who says they aren't judging you is being dishonest and has motives that you are probably unaware of.

Orias you are right in this statement. I am guilty of this every day for I am human. This may sound weird to you but that is why the believer must keep his faith exclusively in Christ and him crucified so this flaw in our sin nature may be keep under subjection, Crucified(put to Death), although some times it is a struggle.

"Spreading the word" is absolute judgement, as it involves telling those who don't believe in the word that they are wrong for doing so.

I would not necessarily call judging or at least it is not supposed to be. It is supposed to be out of a genuine concern for someone..

If a Christian is open minded enough to believe that non-Christian belief can be correct then their very principal is self defeating and hypocritical.

right, but when the bible speaks of not judging the unbeliever it is not saying that. It means were are not condemn the unbeliever because before we came to know the lord we were in the same state as the unbeliever.

 

[Orias]

You have a point, but there is spiritual and religious Christianity. I know many good Christians who would never judge my beliefs or convert me, including my best friend. We cannot group all Christians just like we cannot group all LHPers. But yes, Christianity in general does try to suppress human instinct.

We can group all Christians because they are Christians, just as we can group members of the Left Hand Path as being members of the Left Hand Path.

That's not true. Christianity is not supposed to be about the bible, the church, etc but simply about Christ.

And where did I say that it was?

Part of spreading the word is to tell those who don't believe that they are wrong.

This is true, I never said anything about Christianity being about anything besides Christian, which happens to involve the bible and the church. If they want to stray from the two and still consider themselves Christian then fine, but they should be aware of what they subjecting themselves too, hypocrisy.

I know many who see Christ in a light similar to the way I do rather than the religion. Two of my closest friends are Christian and do not believe I am going to hell. I consider THEM real Christians.

Good for you.

I know many more that are willing to publicly humiliate us and sentence us for crimes we did not commit.

Call me harsh, but even you said it is in the nature of Christianity to suppress human instinct.

And just because you are not aware of their judgement, does not mean that they are not judging.

 

[Me Myself]

Everyone judges.

 

[jasonwill2]

LORD SATAN! Lord of the Abyss and Pit that is the Universe! God of man and of life!

Praise be to my ineffable Majesty!

 

[Orias]

Orias you are right in this statement. I am guilty of this every day for I am human. This may sound weird to you but that is why the believer must keep his faith exclusively in Christ and him crucified so this flaw in our sin nature may be keep under subjection, Crucified(put to Death), although some times it is a struggle.

No, you're guilty of it because you chose to enact on it.

Man may naturally be a hypocrite and self deceitful, but that doesn't mean he has to milk it.

I would not necessarily call judging or at least it is not supposed to be. It is supposed to be out of a genuine concern for someone..

Well if it is truly a genuine concern for someone else then judgement is heavily involved, for how could you genuinely be concerned and try to help someone without exercising judgement or proper judgement at that?

Its self defeating.

right, but when the bible speaks of not judging the unbeliever it is not saying that. It means were are not condemn the unbeliever because before we came to know the lord we were in the same state as the unbeliever.

What does this have to do with the statement I made concerning correctness of belief?

 

[jasonwill2]

Satan has everything to do with Satanism!

To follow Satanism is to consciously follow Lord Satan into the path of your Satanic nature! To overcome, to embrace!

 

[Mindmaster]

Satan is that little voice that tells you to think every time you are choking on another load of crap you have been force feeding yourself for years. You will either listen to it or be spiritually strangled by the pulpit. It is a choice you make -- your soul is yours if you decide to take it. Jehovah is just another name for the lord of lies and slave master of the weak. Satan is the end of everything you know because everything you know is about kneeling, kissing butt, guilt, and self-loathing. We are of a pack of wolves and sometimes we eat our own should they fail us. We have no concern for those whom are sleeping their lives away; bridging the mortal realm and spiritual realm is journey that demands ones full time.

It the force that re-factors your life away from the trivial and meaningless drivel and invokes a permanent change that draws you closer to swirling black flame of the void. Explaining this to Christians is like conversing with monkeys... At least until they decide they should evolve because they see the fallacies themselves -- then they can truly learn what the darkness is and experience Satan's nature fully. You can decide to be more than a slave or an ancestor of apes. Prove your God and prove your Jesus -- or is it really that there is no proof. I haven't found any, and I have been looking -- you have merely trusted what others have told you. How pathetic this is... The god of man is Satan for everything we want in life is opposed by his enemies. All we have demanded is the truth...

But, really... it is easier to raise your 2.5 kids, drive your soccer mom crossover vehicle, and become a mindless wage slave... only kept semi-conscious by the incessant calls of bill collectors and the whining of your 'superior' slave boss. Chances are you will amount to nothing, and forever be nothing more than dust. You are a monkey albeit a well trained one. To be among us you have to question everything you have been told, and destroy it without being consumed yourself. Are you ready for this or are you happy hiding under old Yahweh's dress?

 

[lunakilo]

Thats like asking what Christ has to do with Christianity.

It should be evident, Satan is the opposition and a Satanist merely opposes.

Its confusing to those who seek a trivial understanding, simply because they fail to see any potential emphasis on empathy.

Whereas from my personal experience, I have managed to find a tear drop in almost every aspect of life, philosophy, and religion.

I've been here for two years, and plenty of people have stopped by in this DIR and asked superficial questions assuming the answer they get is all relative to the question they asked.

Though most of the time, the Satanist wants to give much more. And most of the time, non-Satanists attempt to speak on behalf of Satanic creed, as if their ignorance can wax over the true face of the Satanist.

Yes I am an ignorent non-satanist (as far as I know )
Thank you for telling me...

 

[lunakilo]

What do YOU mean by Satan though? The Christian Satan, the pop-culture one, or the Jewish one(s)?

I can't really answer your question otherwise

Well I guess I don't really know what I mean by Satan.
I am not sure I know the difference between the satans you mention.

I guess the images that come to me when I think of Satan is some being which encourage people to be selfish or even to hurt others, but any Satan will do.
(I guess this could account for some of my confusion. Good question. Thank you)

 

[lunakilo]

I am pantheistic, which means I believe in any and all Gods.

I thought pantheism ment belief in the universe/all-that-is/Nature as a non-personal god

From the freefreedictionary.com

pan·the·ism (p

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m)n.1. A doctrine identifying the Deity with the universe and its phenomena.
2. Belief in and worship of all gods.

<sigh!> more confusion

 

[lunakilo]

Satan is that little voice that tells you to think every time you are choking on another load of crap you have been force feeding yourself for years. You will either listen to it or be spiritually strangled by the pulpit. It is a choice you make -- your soul is yours if you decide to take it. Jehovah is just another name for the lord of lies and slave master of the weak. Satan is the end of everything you know because everything you know is about kneeling, kissing butt, guilt, and self-loathing. We are of a pack of wolves and sometimes we eat our own should they fail us. We have no concern for those whom are sleeping their lives away; bridging the mortal realm and spiritual realm is journey that demands ones full time.

It the force that re-factors your life away from the trivial and meaningless drivel and invokes a permanent change that draws you closer to swirling black flame of the void. Explaining this to Christians is like conversing with monkeys... At least until they decide they should evolve because they see the fallacies themselves -- then they can truly learn what the darkness is and experience Satan's nature fully. You can decide to be more than a slave or an ancestor of apes. Prove your God and prove your Jesus -- or is it really that there is no proof. I haven't found any, and I have been looking -- you have merely trusted what others have told you. How pathetic this is... The god of man is Satan for everything we want in life is opposed by his enemies. All we have demanded is the truth...

So I guess that means that to you Satan has everyting to do with satanism.

But, really... it is easier to raise your 2.5 kids, drive your soccer mom crossover vehicle, and become a mindless wage slave... only kept semi-conscious by the incessant calls of bill collectors and the whining of your 'superior' slave boss. Chances are you will amount to nothing, and forever be nothing more than dust. You are a monkey albeit a well trained one. To be among us you have to question everything you have been told, and destroy it without being consumed yourself. Are you ready for this or are you happy hiding under old Yahweh's dress?

That is 2.0 kids actually, I don't have a drivers licence, my kids don't like soccer and neither do I, I do admit I slave away at work (when I don't surf that is ) so that I can get paid and pay my bills.
I will probably never amount to anything more than I am now and don't really feel the need to. What I am may be nothing to you, and in the end I assume I will turn into dust like everybody else.
I have never been ready for anything in my life, and I don't think I am ready now.
I was not aware I was hiding under old Yahweh's dress (being an athist and all), but hey look, I just noticed Yahweh is not waring underwear

Or were you not adressing me?

 

[lunakilo]

What I can understand from all your posts (thanks for answering by the way) is that satan does indeed have something to do with satanism.
The thing that is confusing seems to be that people don't agree on what the word Satan means.

So do those of you who consider youself satanists feel you have something in common with other people in general who call them selves satanists?
Is there a concensus among satanists as to what the word satan means?
Or does being a satanist simply mean someone who use the word satan to mean whatever you want and then build a world view which fits whatever you put into the word satan?

 

[NeedingGnosisNow]

Lunakilo, the worship of an inferior dirty also confuses me. What's even more confusing is when people are rude instead of helpful when explaining their religion.

 

[Orias]

I thought pantheism ment belief in the universe/all-that-is/Nature as a non-personal god

From the freefreedictionary.com

pan·the·ism

1. [/B] A doctrine identifying the Deity with the universe and its phenomena.
2. Belief in and worship of all gods.

<sigh!> more confusion

Well it is, but if you will note that the second part of the definition you provided me with is basically what I said.

What I can understand from all your posts (thanks for answering by the way) is that satan does indeed have something to do with satanism.
The thing that is confusing seems to be that people don't agree on what the word Satan means.

So do those of you who consider youself satanists feel you have something in common with other people in general who call them selves satanists?
Is there a concensus among satanists as to what the word satan means?
Or does being a satanist simply mean someone who use the word satan to mean whatever you want and then build a world view which fits whatever you put into the word satan?

We all agree on what the word Satan means, it means "opposition", "adversary", no one here disagreeing with it.

What people aren't agreeing on his how people come to their understanding of "Satanism", which is completely normal if you go back and reread through my posts in this thread.

And I wasn't calling you an "ignorant non-Satanist", that was simply in reference to people who attempt to speak on behalf of Satanism without actually being Satanic.

Lunakilo, the worship of an inferior dirty also confuses me. What's even more confusing is when people are rude instead of helpful when explaining their religion.

I know right, why would anyone worship inferior dirt?

There is a fine line between being rude and being realistic, if you could give any examples of rudeness I would like to see.

Just remember all necks are measured for thickness, its one thing to stay active in a thread you made and its another to ask trivial questions and assume that they will walk away knowing anymore about the subject then they previously did. This is just simply reality, and it may be harsh which is why Satanism is not for everyone

 

[jasonwill2]

What I can understand from all your posts (thanks for answering by the way) is that satan does indeed have something to do with satanism.
The thing that is confusing seems to be that people don't agree on what the word Satan means.

So do those of you who consider youself satanists feel you have something in common with other people in general who call them selves satanists?
Is there a concensus among satanists as to what the word satan means?
Or does being a satanist simply mean someone who use the word satan to mean whatever you want and then build a world view which fits whatever you put into the word satan?

Of course we don't agree on what Satan is, why would we?

Who and what is Satan? Various Satanist reinterpretations

Anything in common? I guess the semantic meaning we all relate to, as well as the symbolism usually involved. For some Satanists tehy use it to build their world view, but this doesn't always fit.

If I had to say, I would say that all forms of Satanism that actually get what Satanism is actually about, share in common a focus on the individual and getting or having a good quality of life. It's as much as lifestyle as it is a religion. Though i think satanism as just a form of individualism in terms of expression as opposed to in terms of autonomy, a pursuit of knowledge/divination and self-overcoming is stupid... the former is diluted symbolism, the latter is actual satanism, whether symbolic or theistic.

Lunakilo, the worship of an inferior dirty also confuses me. What's even more confusing is when people are rude instead of helpful when explaining their religion.

Because many Christians come in here with the intent to not truly learn about us, but to "figure out why they want to go to hell and worship evil", it rarely changes their perspective of us and they just keep projecting because they refuse to jump out of their little world for one second to try and see things from the other side.

 

[Orias]

Though i think satanism as just a form of individualism in terms of expression as opposed to in terms of autonomy, a pursuit of knowledge/divination and self-overcoming is stupid... the former is diluted symbolism, the latter is actual satanism, whether symbolic or theistic.

Oh but Jason, the autonomous dialect is the very language the Satan speaks, as to speak of the devil and what exactly it is

 

[Jacksnyte]

Lunakilo, the worship of an inferior dirty also confuses me. What's even more confusing is when people are rude instead of helpful when explaining their religion.

Not sure what an "inferior dirty" is, but if you'd like a more concise explaination, check out these links:

Theistic Satanism: Diane Vera on today's new kinds of Satanists

Satanic Reds

LUCIFER, CHURCH LUCIFER

I highly recommend this last one, as it's "scrolls" has influenced my personal practice.

 

[jasonwill2]

Oh but Jason, the autonomous dialect is the very language the Satan speaks, as to speak of the devil and what exactly it is

Yes but there is more too it than just being autonomous, but that is a vital part of Satanism even then.

Not sure what an "inferior dirty" is, but if you'd like a more concise explaination, check out these links:

Theistic Satanism: Diane Vera on today's new kinds of Satanists

Satanic Reds

LUCIFER, CHURCH LUCIFER

I highly recommend this last one, as it's "scrolls" has influenced my personal practice.

yay new sources to check out!