What does the fossil record say?

[Autodidact]

"Belief in Jesus as Christ." What does that mean?
"Following the religion based on the teachings of Jesus " Again, what does this mean?

The above is not a suitable definition of what you believe, nor is it the definition of a Christian. Are you intentionally trying to be evasive here? I think you are.

Oh and re mammoths, do your own research! Clearly your brain is steeped in your religious dogma, try researching some facts on the subject.

You want us to do the research to support your claim? That would be your job. Here's your creationist source, the whacko Michael Oard, who puts this nonsense about:

Many have claimed that there are millions of mammoths entombed in the permafrost of Siberia. Could this be true or is it a gross exaggeration? Farrand6 downsized the estimate to around 50,000 mammoths that died and are buried. It is very difficult to estimate the number of living animals in such a vast, poorly populated territory as Siberia, let alone the number of mammoths that might have died and been buried. Estimates have to be made on how many still lie hidden in the permafrost, which complicates the matter.7 Just how many mammoths were buried affects our theories on the environment of Siberia and their extinction.

But hey, 50,000--500,000,000, what's the difference? Creationists don't do math.

Here's the same wingnut now spouting off in CMI:

The top expert on woolly mammoths in Siberia, Nikolai Vereshchagin, has spent nearly a half century of research on the mammoth fauna. He states that there are many hundreds of thousands of large mammals buried in Siberia22 and also many millions of bones.23 One estimate he made for one region of Siberia would suggest five million mammoths buried.24 Is he exaggerating? It would be conservative, therefore, to conclude that several million mammoths are buried in Beringia.

Did you follow that? One guy says there are hundreds of thousands, so he thinks it's conservative to say 5 million. Say what? And of course, 5,000,000 is 1/100 of what you reported. And it contradicts what the same writer said in AIG, where it was 50,000. It seems like the only thing that stays the same for the eccentric Mr. Oard is the digit "5", which seems to have some kind of mystical significance for him.

Unfortunately I do not have access to Mr. Vereshchagin's article, so I cannot verify what he actually wrote. In this account of the expedition, it says they uncovered 8,5 thousands of bones from 140 mammoths.

So apparently from having found 140 mammoths, which became an estimate of hundreds of thousands, Mr. Oard estimates 5 million, which in your mind became 500 million. As I said, it's simply not true.

Now, if you want to demonstrate that it is, the onus is on you to support your claim with cites, if you can. I doubt it, since it's nonsense, but to be fair, this is your chance. Go.

 

[Jose Fly]

150 to 500. Its not as bad as 13.5 and 13.75 billions years. Get over it it This is your "science" for you. You use estimates like this all the time. Wild and eagerated unproven estimates too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet you googled the mammoths didn't you. Bet you'd never heard of it until I posted it, and now you think you're an expert who can school me on it. Sheesh the arrogance!

So there isn't 500 million mammoth remains in a single location?

 

[Autodidact]

150 to 500. Its not as bad as 13.5 and 13.75 billions years. Get over it it This is your "science" for you. You use estimates like this all the time. Wild and eagerated unproven estimates too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet you googled the mammoths didn't you. Bet you'd never heard of it until I posted it, and now you think you're an expert who can school me on it. Sheesh the arrogance!

No, I've encountered this creationist balderdash many times before, that's how I knew it was nonsense. I've been debating creationists for years, and I think you'll find I probably know more about creationism than you do.

Now did you also want to dispute the age of the universe?

 

[David M]

150 to 500. Its not as bad as 13.5 and 13.75 billions years. Get over it it This is your "science" for you. You use estimates like this all the time. Wild and eagerated unproven estimates too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet you googled the mammoths didn't you. Bet you'd never heard of it until I posted it, and now you think you're an expert who can school me on it. Sheesh the arrogance!

Evasion duly noted.

What is wrong with using an estimate when talking about an area some of some 3 million square kilometres? Thats a huge area, larger than all but the biggest countries in the world.

No, I didn't need to google anything to know you were talking rubbish. I had to use google to find the area of the siberian permafrost.

Where are these 500 million mammoths in one place/a glacier?

 

[Bereanz]

No, I've encountered this creationist balderdash many times before, that's how I knew it was nonsense. I've been debating creationists for years, and I think you'll find I probably know more about creationism than you do.

Now did you also want to dispute the age of the universe?

LOL, another of the usual supsect. And one guy says 140. If your mate is disputing the differnce between 150 million and 500 millon, and I dispute his sources, then am I not entitled to at least mention the huge discrepencies and inaccuracies in your so called sciences attempt to age the universe? I don't need to dispute what is already disputed, even among your own fraterinity. Do I?

 

[Bereanz]

So there isn't 500 million mammoth remains in a single location?

Yes of course there is. I'm not here to lie.

 

[Bereanz]

You want us to do the research to support your claim? That would be your job. Here's your creationist source, the whacko Michael Oard, who puts this nonsense about:



But hey, 50,000--500,000,000, what's the difference? Creationists don't do math.

Here's the same wingnut now spouting off in CMI:
Did you follow that? One guy says there are hundreds of thousands, so he thinks it's conservative to say 5 million. Say what? And of course, 5,000,000 is 1/100 of what you reported. And it contradicts what the same writer said in AIG, where it was 50,000. It seems like the only thing that stays the same for the eccentric Mr. Oard is the digit "5", which seems to have some kind of mystical significance for him.

Unfortunately I do not have access to Mr. Vereshchagin's article, so I cannot verify what he actually wrote. In this account of the expedition, it says they uncovered 8,5 thousands of bones from 140 mammoths.

So apparently from having found 140 mammoths, which became an estimate of hundreds of thousands, Mr. Oard estimates 5 million, which in your mind became 500 million. As I said, it's simply not true.

Now, if you want to demonstrate that it is, the onus is on you to support your claim with cites, if you can. I doubt it, since it's nonsense, but to be fair, this is your chance. Go.

Total evolutionist propaganda disinformation.IE lies. Moving on!

 

[darkendless]

Total evolutionist propaganda disinformation.IE lies. Moving on!

I don't usually comment on evolution debates but this is a serious question:

Do you enjoy being controversial?

It seems as though you're only here to frustrate knowledgable persons in their kind attempt to provide quality research. If thats true stop wasting everyones time, its disgraceful.

 

[Jose Fly]

Yes of course there is. I'm not here to lie.

That's pretty amazing. Where are these 500 million mammoth remains?

 

[Bereanz]

I don't usually comment on evolution debates but this is a serious question:

Do you enjoy being controversial?

It seems as though you're only here to frustrate knowledgable persons in their kind attempt to provide quality research. If thats true stop wasting everyones time, its disgraceful.

You're always commenting. Youve commented to me heaps of times in this forum. Or have you forgotten me while I was in lock down, you probably where instrumental in putting me there.

The Evolution V Creation sub forum title by the mere mention of it's name is controvertial. I dont shun telling the truth and engaging fact with myth in the hope of aiding people (who may be looking) to find the truth. The controversy is the whole evolutionist myth being foisted on the human race as fact! It's a conspiracy in fact. Sheer unadulterated and undiluted wickedness, to be precise. The truth is not negotiable, it doesnt bother me if you feel I'm being conrtovertial. What you feel and think about what I'm writing isn't really any of my business, and frankly I dont need to know or really want to know. Why do you think I would?

 

[Bereanz]

That's pretty amazing. Where are these 500 million mammoth remains?

There in a giant mammoth popsical.

Oh quick question. How can five hundred million of anything the size of a mammoth, be in a "single location"?

Just asking.

 

[Autodidact]

LOL, another of the usual supsect. If your mate is disputing the differnce between 150 million and 500 millon, and I dispute his sources, then am I not entitled to at least mention the huge discrepencies and inaccuracies in your so called sciences attempt to age the universe? I don't need to dispute what is already disputed, even among your own fraterinity. Do I?

You made an assertion. It was wrong. The end.

 

[Autodidact]

Total evolutionist propaganda disinformation.IE lies. Moving on!

Bereanz: I only quoted creationists.

 

[Autodidact]

You're always commenting. Youve commented to me heaps of times in this forum. Or have you forgotten me while I was in lock down, you probably where instrumental in putting me there.

The Evolution V Creation sub forum title by the mere mention of it's name is controvertial. I dont shun telling the truth and engaging fact with myth in the hope of aiding people (who may be looking) to find the truth. The controversy is the whole evolutionist myth being foisted on the human race as fact! It's a conspiracy in fact. Sheer unadulterated and undiluted wickedness, to be precise. The truth is not negotiable, it doesnt bother me if you feel I'm being conrtovertial. What you feel and think about what I'm writing isn't really any of my business, and frankly I dont need to know or really want to know. Why do you think I would?

Are you always this rude or is something bothering you? When your position is strong, you don't have to descend to petty vitriol to defend it. Little tip for you.

 

[Autodidact]

There in a giant mammoth popsical.

Oh quick question. How can five hundred million of anything the size of a mammoth, be in a "single location"?

Just asking.

Why don't we have an anti-frubal function?

 

[Jose Fly]

There in a giant mammoth popsical.

Oh quick question. How can five hundred million of anything the size of a mammoth, be in a "single location"?

Just asking.

LOL! Seriously dude, where are these 500 million mammoth remains?

 

[Bereanz]

Are you always this rude or is something bothering you? When your position is strong, you don't have to descend to petty vitriol to defend it. Little tip for you.

If you think me rude, its not really my problem. Your condensention and palpbable resentment towards creationist is a disgrace, in what one would expect to be a fruitful place for healthy enjoyable debate. You and many others here prove that to be and impossible pipe dream, on a moment by moment basis.

 

[Autodidact]

If you think me rude, its not really my problem. Your condensention and palpbable resentment towards creationist is a disgrace, in what one would expect to be a fruitful place for healthy enjoyable debate. You and many others here prove that to be and impossible pipe dream, on a moment by moment basis.

Yeah, asking you to support your assertion--outrageous! And then proving you wrong, that's just unacceptable. I understand.

 

[Bereanz]

LOL! Seriously dude, where are these 500 million mammoth remains?

They're not hiding, go and do some research, if you're interested. The thing is, you're not interested. By your own admission you're only getting your kicks here between other more important stuff! I cant be bothered being some one elses entertainment. While I accept you may find my wit charm and intelect exceedingly entertaining, its not why Im here. Now go back to work.

 

[Autodidact]

They're not hiding, go and do some research, if you're interested. The thing is, you're not interested. By your own admission you're only getting your kicks here between other more important stuff! I cant be bothered being some one elses entertainment. While I accept you may find my wit charm and intelect exceedingly entertaining, its not why Im here. Now go back to work.

I researched it. I found out you were wrong. I posted the results. Now if you want to dispute my findings, the ball's in your court.

Or do you expect us to take the word of some stranger on the internet?