What does the fossil record say?

[Bereanz]

I researched it. I found out you were wrong. I posted the results. Now if you want to dispute my findings, the ball's in your court.

Or do you expect us to take the word of some stranger on the internet?

If a five minute google is the extent of you're eductaion and style of debate, please try to refrain engaging directly with me again. I dont engage in meangingful debate with people who have proven themselves to be hostile and rude at any given opportunity.

Good Day.

PS. If you cant be civil I will be viewing your continued and unremitting direct replys to me as trolling and harrasment and it will be reported.

 

[Jose Fly]

They're not hiding, go and do some research, if you're interested. The thing is, you're not interested. By your own admission you're only getting your kicks here between other more important stuff! I cant be bothered being some one elses entertainment. While I accept you may find my wit charm and intelect exceedingly entertaining, its not why Im here. Now go back to work.

In the other thread you told me how lame it is when people come into threads and just say stuff without backing it up. I agree, it's very lame. You also asked me to provide data to back up what I said about new species evolving. I did.

So all I'm asking is for you to live up to your own words and meet the same standards you hold everyone else to. You said there was a place with the remains of 500 million mammoths. Where is it?

 

[darkendless]

You're always commenting. Youve commented to me heaps of times in this forum. Or have you forgotten me while I was in lock down, you probably where instrumental in putting me there.

I have better things to do than worry about you champ. As for commenting, I don't comment outside my area of expertise.

The Evolution V Creation sub forum title by the mere mention of it's name is controvertial. I dont shun telling the truth and engaging fact with myth in the hope of aiding people (who may be looking) to find the truth. The controversy is the whole evolutionist myth being foisted on the human race as fact! It's a conspiracy in fact. Sheer unadulterated and undiluted wickedness, to be precise. The truth is not negotiable, it doesnt bother me if you feel I'm being conrtovertial. What you feel and think about what I'm writing isn't really any of my business, and frankly I dont need to know or really want to know. Why do you think I would?

Assumptions. You seem to have an issue with evolution and also seem to be losing your head trying to nullify it.

I recommend you treat facts with facts, you will get a more wholesome discussion. RF and this sub-forum is a wealth of knowledge.

 

[Amill]

Yes of course there is. I'm not here to lie.

And they haven't even been found yet. That's awesome. How did you come to be so blessed with this knowledge?

 

[Krok]

You talk so much and yet say nothing.

That's your opinion. Not mine.

Your logic is seriously flawed!

No, I don’t use circular reasoning and I don’t use the Appeal to Consequences. My logic is actually pretty good.

Look in the mirror and then tell me that you made yourself.

Ever heard about the birds and the bees? Humans, a naturally occuring complex organism, for who's existence we have plenty of verifiable evidence, “created” me.

It was you who put the color in your own eye.

The DNA I inherited from my parents actually determined the colour in my own eye. Not me.

It is simple, deductive reasoning. Unless you are Unreasonable - unable to reason.

Using circular resoning together with an Appeal to Consequences certainly points to an inability to reason. May I remind you that this is the way your whole argument is structured.

You cannot escape the "WHO?"

Yes you can. For example, I don’t think “whodidit” when I look at the beautiful, symmetrical, complex snowflakes under my microscope. I don’t think “whodidit” when I look at those beautiful symmetric, complex Zircon crystals when I look at them under a microscope.

Give me your opinion: You are in a desert; nothing for miles around but sand and heat.

When I’m a desert, as I’ve been plenty of times, I know that humans exist (as there’s plenty of verifiable evidence that they do) and I also know that people have been to that area before.

In the distance you see a house and you hurry to get to it. Inside you find every comfort you could imagine and a note promising a continuing supply of everything you need. Will you conclude that it just grew out of the sand, or will you be wondering - who?

I would certainly know that humans built it, as the evidence for humans is overwhelming and we’ve observed humans buiding houses before. In fact, houses are a result of our complex brains. We have, however, never observed any supernatural being building houses. I won’t think that your God “poofed” the house into existence, as there is no verifiable evidence for any God at all.

The Big Bang - was it chaotic or was it orderly?

A very chaotic expansion of time/space. No order anywhere near there. Those temperatures! Nuclear reaction everywhere!

If it was chaotic, what would you have now?

It certainly was chaotic. The Universe still is very chaotic.

If it was orderly,

WHO arranged it?

No, it wasn’t orderly and nobody and arranged it, simply because there is absolutely no verifiable evidence that anything or anyone exists to “arrange” it.

You move into a new house but the movers dump all your furniture on the front porch. How will your kitchen utensils find their way into the kitchen?

I certainly won’t think that any God dumped the furniture on the front porch, as there is no verifiable evidence that any kind of God exists. Furthermore, I would sack the moving company and won’t pay them the full amount. You see, there is plenty of evidence that moving companies exist.

You go to the store for a sandwich and when you get back you find your furniture neatly arranged, quite to your liking.Will you conclude that they just arranged themselves or will you be wondering:

"Who's in my house?"

I certainly won’t think that any kind of God did it, as there is no verifiable evidence that any kind of God exists. I would rather suspect that a human close to me did it, as there’s plenty of evidence that humans exist and my close relatives would know how I like my sandwiches. No God would even cross my mind.

You cannot escape the "WHO?"

Yes, you can. I gave you the examples of snow flakes and Zircon crystals earlier.

“Raise YOUR eyes high up and see.Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one [of them] is missing.” (Isaiah 40:26)

Quoting from Superman doesn’t impress me. There is no verifiable evidence that Superman exists. Superman is a story dreamt up by humans. There’s plenty of evidence that humans exist and that they write fiction.

I await your response to those little scenarios.

You got them. Still absolutely no verifiable evidence that any kind of God exists. Just circular reasoning and an Appeal to Consequences from your side.

 

[Bereanz]

I have better things to do than worry about you champ. As for commenting, I don't comment outside my area of expertise.



Assumptions. You seem to have an issue with evolution and also seem to be losing your head trying to nullify it.

I recommend you treat facts with facts, you will get a more wholesome discussion. RF and this sub-forum is a wealth of knowledge.

Thanks "champ". Knowledge and the knowledge of the truth are two different things but I won't dispute there is a wealth of knowledge here, that said, wading through the offensive and confronational approach is irksome and triesome as is responding to the end result of rushed 2 minute google "researches" posted as "evidence". But I haven't at all "lost my head over it" which is yet another irksome confrontational, antagonistic and pointless remark from you. Why?

 

[Bereanz]

In the other thread you told me how lame it is when people come into threads and just say stuff without backing it up. I agree, it's very lame. You also asked me to provide data to back up what I said about new species evolving. I did.

So all I'm asking is for you to live up to your own words and meet the same standards you hold everyone else to. You said there was a place with the remains of 500 million mammoths. Where is it?

You havent supplied evidence of species into another species. The thing is I resent you expecting me to provide "sources" for what I have said, it basically means you are accusing me of lieing. Just because you don't believe what I'm saying. If you don't believe what I am discussing in my own words based on my own research, thats your problem, not mine. If I posted some one elses work I'd be accused of plagurism for posting screeds of other people work and not using my own words. WOULDNT I? Yes of course I would. Again, do your own research, my research shows there is NO PROOF for species into another species. If you have some, post it, that's your burden of proof, since it is the whole basis of the fallacy you use to claim evolution and the evolution of man from fish into early primates into human beings etc etc IE you and me, which is a total lie of epic proportion, as is the common ancestor fallacy, if you have proof, post it and stop playing semantic games.

 

[Krok]

If a five minute google is the extent of you're eductaion and style of debate, please try to refrain engaging directly with me again. I dont engage in meangingful debate with people who have proven themselves to be hostile and rude at any given opportunity.
Good Day.
PS. If you cant be civil I will be viewing your continued and unremitting direct replys to me as trolling and harrasment and it will be reported.

This is a typical creationist tactic. Try to word salad inaccurate statements away.

 

[Amill]

Again, do your own research, my research shows there is NO PROOF for species into another species. If you have some, post it, that's your burden of proof,

And our research suggests that there is no glacier containing 500 million mammoths. "So if you have some, post it, that's your burden of proof." Like YOU said.

if you have proof, post it and stop playing semantic games

Now I really don't get it. You're doing exactly the same things you're claiming evolutionists are doing. Are you trying to make a point or something? A poe perhaps? I'm really at a loss.

 

[Bereanz]

And our research suggests that there is no glacier containing 500 million mammoths. "So if you have some, post it, that's your burden of proof." Like YOU said.


Now I really don't get it. You're doing exactly the same things you're claiming evolutionists are doing. Are you trying to make a point or something? A poe perhaps? I'm really at a loss.

You see, there it is again. A Poe, WTF? Your "research" (IE you havent done any) is disinformation from a 2 minute google link IE lieing propoganda.

Are you guy's all Poes or what? It seems to be your favoruite accusation for someone not pushing the evolution zealot party line, that and Troll! Give me break! Or give it a rest. Im a Bible beliveing Christian commonly called a creationist by you lot!! Get used to us, we're in the title of the sub forum, in other words where welcomed and expected and dares I say invited. STOP the insane insults like Po and Troll. It's dammed infuriating.

PS Marcus Aurelius's thoughts made a life that resulted in wholesale mass murdering and persecution of Christians. What's the next wise comment to use in a signature????????????? Are you a poe?

 

[Bereanz]

This is a typical creationist tactic. Try to word salad inaccurate statements away.

Word salad, Poe, troll. My word, are you guys all trained/brainwashed by the same linguist or what? You all sound like the same automatons with different names. It's like the stepford forum up in here!

 

[Krok]

Word salad, Poe, troll. My word, are you guys all trained/brainwashed by the same linguist or what?

Seeing that I got my education in South Africa and that English is not my first language; that everybody else on this thread got their education in other countries with English as a first language for most of them, I doubt it.

You all sound like the same automatons with different names. It's like the stepford forum up in here!

It seems as if all the educated people here can call a spade a spade. They don't need lies or word salads. It also seems that they can all recognise a phenomenon when they see it, name it and all come to the same conclusions!

 

[David M]

Word salad, Poe, troll. My word, are you guys all trained/brainwashed by the same linguist or what? You all sound like the same automatons with different names. It's like the stepford forum up in here!

post after post all you do is evade the question.

This is what you said back on page 200.

If the mass fossil graveyards around the world come close to PROVING anything, it is that the Biblical record of a world wide deluge that covered the entire planet, is most likely true. How else do you explain a mass conglomerated fossil grave yard of over 500 million, that's right, 500 million mammoths in one place OTHER THAN a mass attempted escape from an all to apparent dissasterous flood? Because the reality (IE FACT) is they are where discovered to be entombed in a glacier.

So where is the one place? Where is this glacier?

And no an area of permafrost bigger than most large countries is not "one place". To paraphrase the great Douglas Adams "Siberia is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to Siberia."

Post the evidence or admit you were just making things up that are not true.

 

[Bereanz]

post after post all you do is evade the question.

This is what you said back on page 200.



So where is the one place? Where is this glacier?

And no an area of permafrost bigger than most large countries is not "one place". To paraphrase the great Douglas Adams "Siberia is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to Siberia."

Post the evidence or admit you were just making things up that are not true.

I apologise, its 5 million, not 500 million mammoths frozen to death in Siberia in solid ice. Oh yes now your jumping with glee. Moving on I've corrected the typo (put it down to a mass onslaught of evolutionists descending on me at once. It's not a victory for you.

How did that happen? Are you going to answer the question or google disinf it away? Yes of course according to the resident google textpert it's only 140 mammoths HAAAAAAAAAAH!

Are you now going to define what your personal Christian beliefs are, since I now find my self contending not only with athiest evolutionist, but professing Christians? When the two religions compare like apples and tapeworms? Ie there is no comparison or place for either to walk together! Theistic evolution yes, not Christianity. Its history repating itself really. Back in the old days, gnosticism infiltrated Christianity, Gnostic meaning knowledge. The wanna be self professed eductional elite needed to be seen to be embrassing the so called cutting edge gnosis of the day, inclduing some many Christians. The so called science fo today is the same thinsg as gnosis was then Science simply means knowledge, so today we have people like you claiming to be scientific and Christian at the same time. It's not going to happen mate. Only in your dreams. The chucrh has to contend with gnostic spirtualism to this day, and we will be forever having to contend with the likes of you too. And contend we will, because it is the enemy of the truthand the church IE Christianity. Seriously you calling yourself a Christian is the most Po like behaviour I've seen in this forum, and yet Ive been accused of being a po about 48 times already. Why is that?

How do you explain 800,000 million skeltons of vertebrate animals entombed together in the Karoo formations? Dont answer that, Ive seen the disnformation propaganda and lies already on this forum as it pertains to this fossil bone yard.

Ive seen the disinformation as it pertians to all the EVIDENCE that proves beyond cavil your faith in evolution to be a concoction from the mind of Satan himself. You might have heard of him, or is he a myth too?

 

[Bereanz]

Seeing that I got my education in South Africa and that English is not my first language; that everybody else on this thread got their education in other countries with English as a first language for most of them, I doubt it. It seems as if all the educated people here can call a spade a spade. They don't need lies or word salads. It also seems that they can all recognise a phenomenon when they see it, name it and all come to the same conclusions!

Its seems that all who end up here for any length of time meld into one. I dont think where you got your 11 plus has anything to do with the peer reviews you all pat each other on the back with. Its an "in club" of sorts, that transcends education and religion. Evolution is like the budhist religion it claims not to be a religion while epousing and pushing religious doctrine and rejecting God.

Any one who doesn't agree with your "educated club" is a Po, troll, word salad extraodinaire, and or a martyre. Rediculous and hilarious to watch. Its a great study in itself.

 

[Krok]

You havent supplied evidence of species into another species.

Plenty of evidence for speciation has been provided in this thread. You can ignore it, but other people won’t.

The thing is I resent you expecting me to provide "sources" for what I have said, it basically means you are accusing me of lieing.

If you keep refusing to reference the sources, that’s the only logical conclusion to be made.

Just because you don't believe what I'm saying.

I certainly don’t if you can’t provide verifiable evidence.

If you don't believe what I am discussing in my own words based on my own research, thats your problem, not mine.

No, it’s your problem. I certainly don't believe you. I think you're a troll. I don't think that you're telling the truth. Avoid this by providing verifiable evidence for your “research”. Where is the peer-reviewed scientific journal where it is published? If you can’t provide the sources, the logical conclusion would be that you are not telling the entire truth.

If I posted some one elses work I'd be accused of plagurism for posting screeds of other people work and not using my own words.

Not if you referenced it properly. You know, in such a way that we can verify your “research”.

WOULDNT I? Yes of course I would. Again, do your own research, my research shows there is NO PROOF for species into another species.

Ignoring the evidence won’t make it go away. Other people have provided verifiable evidence that speciation happens.

If you have some, post it, that's your burden of proof, since it is the whole basis of the fallacy you use to claim evolution and the evolution of man from fish into early primates into human beings etc etc

Lots of verifiable evidence have been posted for speciation in this thread. You just ignore it. It won't go away.
Furthermore, there is nothing about “fish to early primates into human beings, etc. etc. etc.”in the Theory of Evolution. You made this up.

IE you and me, which is a total lie of epic proportion, as is the common ancestor fallacy, if you have proof, post it and stop playing semantic games.

Science doesn’t deal with proof. Proof is for maths and alcohol. Science deals with evidence. Would single-celled fossils in 3.8 billion year rocks be considered evidence by you? My own thoughts on this: Probably not, as Bereanz won’t ever consider physical evidence at all if it contradicts his favourite creation myth.

I know that Bereanz is a Poe and a troll. I only post this for the Lurkers.

Oh, and Bereanz, is English your first language?

 

[darkendless]

Thanks "champ". Knowledge and the knowledge of the truth are two different things but I won't dispute there is a wealth of knowledge here, that said, wading through the offensive and confronational approach is irksome and triesome as is responding to the end result of rushed 2 minute google "researches" posted as "evidence". But I haven't at all "lost my head over it" which is yet another irksome confrontational, antagonistic and pointless remark from you. Why?

I said you've lost your head because instead of adressing points you're adressing people such as Auto.

A fact: you don't want to get into an evolution debate with Auto, her knowledge is seemingly endless. If you have to, good luck.

 

[Bereanz]

I said you've lost your head because instead of adressing points you're adressing people such as Auto.

A fact: you don't want to get into an evolution debate with Auto, her knowledge is seemingly endless. If you have to, good luck.

What ever you say champ. Thanks for swinging by yet again to comment where you don't usually comment. LOL Lost your way perhaps?

I have done nothing but contend with people, including YOU who are addressing me and not the points. Okay mate, move along - or stick around. What ever floats your boat.

 

[Krok]

Its seems that all who end up here for any length of time meld into one.

Maybe it’s because you’re not educated enough on the subject to have any kind of idea on what rationality is?

I dont think where you got your 11 plus….

I don’t understand this. Where did the 11 come from?

…. has anything to do with the peer reviews you all pat each other on the back with.

I tend to accept the overwhelming scientific consensus of millions of trained specialists above someone who can’t even provide sources. Especially as the history indicates decisively that the scientific method is the most advantageous method to get us closer to the truth.

Its an "in club" of sorts, that transcends education and religion.

A ‘club” of specialists from all over the world. A club of Christians, Muslims, Hindu’s, Buddists, Atheists, Zorochastrians, who all live in different countries on all continents, each with a different “world-view”, who all agree on one thing: the scientific method works. Believe it or not!

Evolution is like the budhist religion it claims not to be a religion while epousing and pushing religious doctrine and rejecting God.

Could you refer me to where the theory of Evolution rejects God? You know, a reference?

Any one who doesn't agree with your "educated club" is a Po, troll, word salad extraodinaire,…..

You forgot about “liar”. I’ve got references where I can refer you to for the evidence for it.

…and or a martyre.

You would love to be a martyr, won’t you? You'd propably love the pain involved. Why don't you just do S&M, it's very painfull and you survive, too! Way better that dying in the process.

Rediculous and hilarious to watch. Its a great study in itself.

You’ve only got one life. Enjoy it. Laugh as much as you can.

 

[Bereanz]

Maybe it’s because you’re not educated enough on the subject to have any kind of idea on what rationality is? I don’t understand this. Where did the 11 come from? I tend to accept the overwhelming scientific consensus of millions of trained specialists above someone who can’t even provide sources. Especially as the history indicates decisively that the scientific method is the most advantageous method to get us closer to the truth. A ‘club” of specialists from all over the world. A club of Christians, Muslims, Hindu’s, Buddists, Atheists, Zorochastrians, who all live in different countries on all continents, each with a different “world-view”, who all agree on one thing: the scientific method works. Believe it or not! Could you refer me to where the theory of Evolution rejects God? You know, a reference? You forgot about “liar”. I’ve got references where I can refer you to for the evidence for it. You would love to be a martyr, won’t you? You'd propably love the pain involved. Why don't you just do S&M, it's very painfull and you survive, too! Way better that dying in the process. You’ve only got one life. Enjoy it. Laugh as much as you can.

Oh dear