What evidence for God

PolyHedral · Feb 25, 2011

wilsoncole said:
But they do control people and things according to their dictates - right?
Why do they control you?
Why do they want to control you?
Seems to me they exist to control people and things.

Yes, mu, mu. There is no "why."

PolyHedral · Feb 25, 2011

wilsoncole said:
Your argument is on # 2.

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Toss 10^100 coins. Record only those landing heads.

Those are some very biased coins you have there, aren't they?

Thief · Feb 25, 2011

PolyHedral said:
Toss 10^100 coins. Record only those landing heads.

Those are some very biased coins you have there, aren't they?

Here's something I haven't tried yet.....

Walk into a room and find only a table.

Come back later and find a coin, on the table.

Come back later and find a spinning coin on the table.

Now go back and read post #239...this topic.

wilsoncole · Feb 25, 2011

PolyHedral said:
Toss 10^100 coins. Record only those landing heads.

Those are some very biased coins you have there, aren't they?

Sorry Sir,
I don't do silly.

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wilsoncole · Feb 25, 2011

PolyHedral said:
There is nothing to enforce, because the "breaking" the rules is unthinkable. Also, there is no beginning to the universe, as far as the Big Bang predicts. There is a first moment of the universe, but certain structures "already" exist at that point, such as the mass-energy content and the laws of physics.

Who made the rules, Mister?

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wilsoncole · Feb 25, 2011

Frank Merton said:
Why not? I think maybe you confuse human laws with natural laws. Natural laws by their very nature establish and enforce themselves.

That's double-speak nonsense.

To the contrary, I think his message was thoughtful. He asked you why matter and energy need help. You didn't answer: you only stated your position over again.

Because they cannot help themselves. Duh!
Why does your food need help to get to your mouth?
Why does your bedroom furniture need help to get to your bedroom?

Education does not make a person wise.

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McBell · Feb 26, 2011

wilsoncole said:
There is ample evidence for the Big Bang.
"The theory is the most comprehensive and accurate explanation supported by scientific evidence and observations."

OTOH, "the physics of the Planck epoch are unclear, and the exact manner in which the fundamental forces were unified, and how they came to be separate entities, is still poorly understood." (Wikipedia)

So you are seeking to apply forces that you do not understand.

You said that. Doesn't change anything.

The Gravitational Singularity does not exist anywhere in the known universe, Pal. That ended with the Big Bang.

What is meaningless is your words here.
You still have nothing coming from nothing.
No one can demonstrate anything that disproves that concept.
BTW: Whatever happened to your "special pleading" objection?
I sense desperation creeping in.

(Back to your Book of Fallacies)

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Wait, is your argument that before the big bang there was nothing?
I mean, it prety much has to be in order for you to make your unsubstantiated claim that there at one point was nothing.

Now how do you know that at one point there was nothing?
And at what point was there this nothing you rely so heavily upon?
And how it is that you exclude god from this nothing you so desperately have to have?

McBell · Feb 26, 2011

wilsoncole said:
Sorry Sir,
I don't do silly.

What a load of crap.
Have you even read you posts in this thread?

wilsoncole · Feb 26, 2011

Mestemia said:
Wait, is your argument that before the big bang there was nothing?

See Replies # 221-223.

I mean, it prety much has to be in order for you to make your unsubstantiated claim that there at one point was nothing.

You failed to understand everything I said.

Now how do you know that at one point there was nothing?
And at what point was there this nothing you rely so heavily upon?
And how it is that you exclude god from this nothing you so desperately have to have?

So far, this has been a real education.
It became necessary for me to look up information that I would not have thought of and what I found supports creation overwhelmingly.

For example, check out this post:
Originally Posted by wilsoncole View Post
When, where and how did these mindless natural laws begin?

PolyHedral said:
There is no reason for them, and they didn't begin.

Is this supposed to be convincing? Where's the rest of it?
Where's the reasoning, the evidence?
Or should I accept this on faith?
Atheism is based on nothing. It has no support of any kind - factual, scientific or otherwise. Simply tremendous rebellion.

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McBell · Feb 26, 2011

wilsoncole said:
See Replies # 221-223.
You failed to understand everything I said.
So far, this has been a real education.
It became necessary for me to look up information that I would not have thought of and what I found supports creation overwhelmingly.

For example, check out this post:
Originally Posted by wilsoncole View Post
When, where and how did these mindless natural laws begin?

Is this supposed to be convincing? Where's the rest of it?
Where's the reasoning, the evidence?
Or should I accept this on faith?
Atheism is based on nothing. It has no support of any kind - factual, scientific or otherwise. Simply tremendous rebellion.

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Wilson

Your blatant avoidance is duly noted.
Now since it is painfully obvious you are only interested in pushing your need for a god, I shall leave you to it.

waitasec · Feb 26, 2011

wilsoncole said:
Is this supposed to be convincing? Where's the rest of it?
Where's the reasoning, the evidence?
Or should I accept this on faith?
Atheism is based on nothing. It has no support of any kind - factual, scientific or otherwise. Simply tremendous rebellion.

well look at it this way...
some are convinced by burning bushes, others are not.

you are right in that some are
defiant towards any religious dogma that claims authority and knowledge in the sciences...

wilsoncole · Feb 26, 2011

Mestemia said:
Your blatant avoidance is duly noted.
Now since it is painfully obvious you are only interested in pushing your need for a god, I shall leave you to it.

So - what is it based on?

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wilsoncole · Feb 26, 2011

waitasec said:
well look at it this way...
some are convinced by burning bushes, others are not.

you are right in that some are
defiant towards any religious dogma that claims authority and knowledge in the sciences...

Rebellion is an act of war!
You have chosen the wrong Person to be your enemy, even though he has done you nothing but good - like feeding you every day. You can't even do that for yourself.

He has never yet lost a battle. I don't think you know what you're in for.

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wilsoncole · Feb 26, 2011

Mestemia said:
Your blatant avoidance is duly noted.
Now since it is painfully obvious you are only interested in pushing your need for a god, I shall leave you to it.

Aside from your denial, you have not been able to offer convincing argument that God does not exist.

There is more evidence for belief in God than not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1e4FUhfHiU

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PolyHedral · Feb 26, 2011

Do you have any that can't be used to prove either Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

tumbleweed41 · Feb 26, 2011

wilsoncole said:
There is ample evidence for the Big Bang.
"The theory is the most comprehensive and accurate explanation supported by scientific evidence and observations."

OTOH, "the physics of the Planck epoch are unclear, and the exact manner in which the fundamental forces were unified, and how they came to be separate entities, is still poorly understood." (Wikipedia)

Like I said, both Scientific Theories.

wilsoncole said:
The Gravitational Singularity does not exist anywhere in the known universe, Pal. That ended with the Big Bang.

Half correct. The Singularity does not exist in the Universe.
The Singularity has been expanding since the Big Bang, it is the Universe.

wilsoncole said:
No one can demonstrate anything that disproves that concept.
BTW: Whatever happened to your "special pleading" objection?
I sense desperation creeping in.

Special pleading.

Nothing comes from nothing.
Something comes from something.
The Universe is something, so it came from something.
That Something is God, who is exempt from the "Something from Something" argument.

Special Pleading.
:facepalm:

tumbleweed41 · Feb 26, 2011

wilsoncole said:
There is more evidence for belief in God than not.

Yes, plenty of evidence for a belief in God.
Absolutely zero empirical objective evidence for the existence of God.

nonbeliever_92 · Feb 26, 2011

tumbleweed41 said:
Yes, plenty of evidence for a belief in God.
Absolutely zero empirical objective evidence for the existence of God.

And I'm still looking for the latter.

outhouse · Feb 26, 2011

nonbeliever_92 said:
And I'm still looking for the latter.

there is a crystal clear path that shows how ancient hebrews created the god figure.

you can wait all you like it will never come because imagination does not manifest itself.

Homo sapiens 200,000 years ago probably wished they could talk to the thunder gods to make him less angry.

we know how that worked out :facepalm:

nonbeliever_92 · Feb 26, 2011

outhouse said:
there is a crystal clear path that shows how ancient hebrews created the god figure.

you can wait all you like it will never come because imagination does not manifest itself.

Homo sapiens 200,000 years ago probably wished they could talk to the thunder gods to make him less angry.

we know how that worked out

He got more angry? :shrug:

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