What evidence for God

[outhouse]

He got more angry?

yes he did, he made more lightning

 

[wilsoncole]

Do you have any that can't be used to prove either Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

YES!
But first,will you describe this "Flying Spaghetti Monster," and who and where his worshippers are?
The worshipers in any religion can be assessed by the things they do.

There is false religion and there is true religion.

“By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men].” (Matthew 7:16-20)


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[wilsoncole]

Like I said, both Scientific Theories.

Half correct. The Singularity does not exist in the Universe.
The Singularity has been expanding since the Big Bang, it is the Universe.


Special pleading.

Nothing comes from nothing.
Something comes from something.
The Universe is something, so it came from something.
That Something is God, who is exempt from the "Something from Something" argument.


Special Pleading.

Special pleading - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You'd better read this good.
I will show you how it applies to you much more that it does me.


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[wilsoncole]

Like I said, both Scientific Theories.
Special pleading.

Nothing comes from nothing.
Something comes from something.
The Universe is something, so it came from something.
That Something is God, who is exempt from the "Something from Something" argument.

Those are YOUR words - not mine.
You can assign them to whatever fallacy meets your desire.

Half correct. The Singularity does not exist in the Universe.
The Singularity has been expanding since the Big Bang, it is the Universe.

The singularity no longer exists - anywhere.
It can be likened to your mother's fertilized egg.
Even though it BECAME you, that egg no longer exists.


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[outhouse]

The singularity no longer exists - anywhere.
It can be likened to your mother's fertilized egg.
Even though it BECAME you, that egg no longer exists.

no true

and you have no basis for your uneducated statement

 

[wilsoncole]

no true

and you have no basis for your uneducated statement

So - where's the singularity and where's the egg?



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[Erebus]

Simple, what evidence is there of there being a god, a higher being, or any of the like?

I exist, therefore God exists

A little LHP logic for you.

 

[waitasec]

Rebellion is an act of war!
You have chosen the wrong Person to be your enemy, even though he has done you nothing but good - like feeding you every day. You can't even do that for yourself.

He has never yet lost a battle. I don't think you know what you're in for.

he has given babies cancer and has allowed for needless suffering...
all righty then


that burning bush really does it for ya, huh? :sarcastic

 

[wilsoncole]

So why and how is your god the exception?

Exception to what?



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[wilsoncole]

Yes, plenty of evidence for a belief in God.
Absolutely zero empirical objective evidence for the existence of God.

Take a look in the mirror!
Maybe you're the exception. Maybe YOU came from nothing.
Maybe you're not even there.
What you see is a hologram.

Get real!

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[wilsoncole]

Your blatant avoidance is duly noted.
Now since it is painfully obvious you are only interested in pushing your need for a god, I shall leave you to it.

Avoidance?
Of what? I like to think I was involved.
Haven't you noticed that I've been diving headlong into it all along?
What am I supposed to be avoiding?


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[tumbleweed41]

Yes, plenty of evidence for a belief in God.
Absolutely zero empirical objective evidence for the existence of God.

Take a look in the mirror!
Maybe you're the exception. Maybe YOU came from nothing.
Maybe you're not even there.
What you see is a hologram.

I looked in the mirror.
I saw evidence of my ancestors genes.
I saw no objective empirical evidence for God.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Exception to what?

Nothing comes from nothing.
Something comes from something.
The Universe is something, so it came from something.
That Something is God, who is exempt from the "Something from Something" argument.

 

[wilsoncole]

well look at it this way...
some are convinced by burning bushes, others are not.

Can you empathize? would you have been unconvinced if you had seen what he saw?

you are right in that some are defiant towards any religious dogma that claims authority and knowledge in the sciences...

It goes way beyond that.
It has to do with a vigorous repudiation of authority of any kind.
A dominant desire to avoid accountability for the things one does, all the while knowing, deep down inside, that accountability is inevitable. It's there, waiting for you.
He (God) does not have to give an account for himself, and yet, he does.
There is no free ride for anyone but him.


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[tumbleweed41]

Special pleading - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You'd better read this good.
I will show you how it applies to you much more that it does me.

Since you exempt God from your "nothing from nothing/something from something" argument, it is Special Pleading.

Pretty simple really. Even you should understand it.

 

[wilsoncole]

I looked in the mirror.
I saw evidence of my ancestors genes.
I saw no objective empirical evidence for God.

You just gave a cursory glance!
You didn't look deep enough nor long enough nor hard enough. You weren't cerebral enough!
Either the questions didn't come or you weren't asking the right ones.

So - where'd they get THEIR genes?
Made them in the basement and handed them down to you like an heirloom?



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[tumbleweed41]

You just gave a cursory glance!
You didn't look deep enough nor long enough nor hard enough. You weren't cerebral enough!
Either the questions didn't come or you weren't asking the right ones.

So - where'd they get THEIR genes?
Made them in the basement and handed them down to you like an heirloom?

Three things you seem not to understand.

1. Objective empirical evidence.
2. Subjective beliefs.
3. The Birds and the Bees.

 

[waitasec]

Can you empathize? would you have been unconvinced if you had seen what he saw?

sorry...
this is a bronze age legend...

It goes way beyond that.
It has to do with a vigorous repudiation of authority of any kind.
A dominant desire to avoid accountability for the things one does, all the while knowing, deep down inside, that accountability is inevitable. It's there, waiting for you.
He (God) does not have to give an account for himself, and yet, he does.
There is no free ride for anyone but him.

somehow you undermine the innate sense of integrity and self dignity.
although i must admit not very many people cherish this... religious and non religious alike.

 

[wilsoncole]

great video?

it was lies and quote mining darwin.

anyone who thinks evolution is wrong is just someone with a severe lack of education, nothing more.

the video was a waist of time and utter garbage.

Special Pleading Fallacy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
An assertion that the opponent lacks the qualifications necessary to comprehend a point of view
Example: I know you think that quantum mechanics does not always make sense. There are things about quantum mechanics that you don't have the education to understand. (Although in this case, the likeliness of this being true is statistically very high, as only a very small percentage of people studied quantum mechanics. But without proving this, and proving that sole intelligence without the education does not suffice, it’s still just an assertion.)

You have been engaging in a lot of Special Pleading lately - haven't you?


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[wilsoncole]

Nothing comes from nothing.
Something comes from something.
The Universe is something, so it came from something.
That Something is God, who is exempt from the "Something from Something" argument.

Whose argument is that?
Why must you resort to lying? That's what scoundrels do.
Those are your words. Show me where I said that.
I said:
"Nothing comes from nothing," and you cannot disprove that.
No one can. It is a simple statement of fact. There is nothing more stubborn than a fact.
You say: "That something is God." That's where you're wrong! God is not a thing. He's a WHO!
Are you a thing? Yes or No.

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