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What evidence for God

guilo

guilo

Undercover Nudist
lunamoth said:
I still say chocolate is pretty good evidence of God.
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"Good God, how much reverence can you have for a Supreme Being who finds it necessary to include such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of Creation? What in the world was running through that warped, evil, scatological mind of His when He robbed old people of the power to control their bowel movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain?" - Yossarian in Catch-22, written by Joseph Heller.

I overheard a great conversation the other day about a hard-hitting Bible-belting Christian the other day in which he related that in an attempt to revamp his parents' PC, he backed up all the documents and photos on an external hard drive, formatted the computer, and when he tried to copy the backups back to the PC afterwards, the hard drive was mysteriously broken and all data was virtually irretrievable. How is this not noticed by Christians as something you might as well call the anti-miracle? If something of similar coincidental proportions happened to this guy's advantage instead of his detriment, he would have lauded this as the biggest miracle ever! To be a believer in miracles, this guy has to be insanely selective as to what he determines his views from.

Any feelings or views of karma, divine intervention and unnatural world order is based on exactly the same principle. Using all available data, and by not being selective, we can see how random things actually are and the only concept of a God that makes sense is that of one sitting in front of a slot-machine pressing a button and seeing what happens. In other words, he is completely unnecessary, since you might as well think that the slot-machine can run by itself, with no different outcome.
:shrug:
 
lunamoth

lunamoth

Will to love
guilo said:
"Good God, how much reverence can you have for a Supreme Being who finds it necessary to include such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of Creation? What in the world was running through that warped, evil, scatological mind of His when He robbed old people of the power to control their bowel movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain?" - Yossarian in Catch-22, written by Joseph Heller.

I overheard a great conversation the other day about a hard-hitting Bible-belting Christian the other day in which he related that in an attempt to revamp his parents' PC, he backed up all the documents and photos on an external hard drive, formatted the computer, and when he tried to copy the backups back to the PC afterwards, the hard drive was mysteriously broken and all data was virtually irretrievable. How is this not noticed by Christians as something you might as well call the anti-miracle? If something of similar coincidental proportions happened to this guy's advantage instead of his detriment, he would have lauded this as the biggest miracle ever! To be a believer in miracles, this guy has to be insanely selective as to what he determines his views from.

Any feelings or views of karma, divine intervention and unnatural world order is based on exactly the same principle. Using all available data, and by not being selective, we can see how random things actually are and the only concept of a God that makes sense is that of one sitting in front of a slot-machine pressing a button and seeing what happens. In other words, he is completely unnecessary, since you might as well think that the slot-machine can run by itself, with no different outcome.
:shrug:
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How is this related to chocolate?
 
guilo

guilo

Undercover Nudist
You can't say chocolate = God, because this implies God creates good, and chocolate is so good that it can only come from something supernatural. As Yossarian, I then counter by saying that what is the use of making something as nice as chocolate if you also make something as crude as phlegm or old people's incontinence. It is just saying that one can't look at one phenomenon and then determine a world-view of it. Sorry for being a bit obscure, I hope you get it now!
 
lunamoth

lunamoth

Will to love
guilo said:
You can't say chocolate = God, because this implies God creates good, and chocolate is so good that it can only come from something supernatural. As Yossarian, I then counter by saying that what is the use of making something as nice as chocolate if you also make something as crude as phlegm or old people's incontinence. It is just saying that one can't look at one phenomenon and then determine a world-view of it. Sorry for being a bit obscure, I hope you get it now!
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Yup, I get it. :). But chocolate is sublime.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
InvestigateTruth said:
If we listen with attentive ears, we hear that all the things on earth and the sky, and whatever is between them are saying "praise be to our God, the excellent of Makers"
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I have listened with attentive ears.

I have not heard one word you speak of at all :shrug:

any chance that is %100 imagination????
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
outhouse said:
I have listened with attentive ears.

I have not heard one word you speak of at all :shrug:

any chance that is %100 imagination????
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Let's say these prayers:

"O Thou compassionate Lord, Thou Who art generous and able! We are servants of Thine sheltered beneath Thy providence. Cast Thy glance of favor upon us. Give light to our eyes, hearing to our ears, and understanding and love to our hearts. Render our souls joyous and happy through Thy glad tidings...." Abdulbaha
Grant, O my God, that I may not be reckoned among those whose ears are deaf, whose eyes are blind, whose tongues are speechless and whose hearts have failed to comprehend. Deliver me, O Lord, from the fire of ignorance and of selfish desire, suffer me to be admitted into the precincts of Thy transcendent mercy and send down upon me that which Thou hast ordained for Thy chosen ones. Potent art Thou to do what Thou willest. Verily, Thou art the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. ​
—The Báb


"Rely upon God, thy God and the Lord of thy fathers. For the people are wandering in the paths of delusion, bereft of discernment to see God with their own eyes, or hear His Melody with their own ears. Thus have We found them, as thou also dost witness. " Baha'u'llah - Tablet of Ahmad​


 
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outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
InvestigateTruth said:
Let's say these prayers:

"O Thou compassionate Lord, Thou Who art generous and able! We are servants of Thine sheltered beneath Thy providence. Cast Thy glance of favor upon us. Give light to our eyes, hearing to our ears, and understanding and love to our hearts. Render our souls joyous and happy through Thy glad tidings...." Abdulbaha

Grant, O my God, that I may not be reckoned among those whose ears are deaf, whose eyes are blind, whose tongues are speechless and whose hearts have failed to comprehend. Deliver me, O Lord, from the fire of ignorance and of selfish desire, suffer me to be admitted into the precincts of Thy transcendent mercy and send down upon me that which Thou hast ordained for Thy chosen ones. Potent art Thou to do what Thou willest. Verily, Thou art the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. ​
—The Báb


"Rely upon God, thy God and the Lord of thy fathers. For the people are wandering in the paths of delusion, bereft of discernment to see God with their own eyes, or hear His Melody with their own ears. Thus have We found them, as thou also dost witness. " Baha'u'llah - Tablet of Ahmad​
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so it is imagination????
 
nonbeliever_92

nonbeliever_92

Well-Known Member
InvestigateTruth said:
If we listen with attentive ears, we hear that all the things on earth and the sky, and whatever is between them are saying "praise be to our God, the excellent of Makers"
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I listened and all I could hear was "There once was a man from Nantucket, whose--" unfortunately the rest was drown out by the clap of thunder so I guess I'll never know the great secret of god. :shrug:-
 
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