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What evidence for God
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Dan4reason
Facts not Faith
That seems to be the case.
:snoopy::sleep:Wake me up if the day finally comes.
Evidence of God's existence? This is historic. We're going into the history books!
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
Just remember folks, you saw it here first!
PhAA
Grand Master
:no: not the evidence of a god's existence. the evidence of people who claim that they have the evidence.
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PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
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There are many things to make me believe, I will point out one to you (of course, This is based on my personal experience and unfortunately may not hold true for others ).
I believe in the philosophy of Karma. It has happened very much where I can experience a Bad situation happening immediately after a bad deed of mine. I can relate to it.
So if Karma is true based on my experience, "Something" must have "Created" the Karma in this world. Science has proven to us that "Something" cannot come out of Nothing("Nothing").
So that Something("Something") is what the Christians call as Jesus or Father of Jesus, the Buddhists call it as something they dont understand, the Muslims call it as Allah, the Jews the Jevonah and the Hindus - the Brahman.
I believe in the philosophy of Karma. It has happened very much where I can experience a Bad situation happening immediately after a bad deed of mine. I can relate to it.
So if Karma is true based on my experience, "Something" must have "Created" the Karma in this world. Science has proven to us that "Something" cannot come out of Nothing("Nothing").
So that Something("Something") is what the Christians call as Jesus or Father of Jesus, the Buddhists call it as something they dont understand, the Muslims call it as Allah, the Jews the Jevonah and the Hindus - the Brahman.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Would you agree that what you describe is purely subjective, and not really empirical evidence for the existence of God?
Of course, Like I said this evidence is based on my own experimentation or observation.
To provide a Universal evidence that is applicable(understandable) from the most spiritual to the most ignorant is probable but is a highly difficult task and can be achieved only to those who have realized god themselves.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I respect you for acknowledging that this is based on personal experience and may not hold true for others, but I'm still going to have to point out that there's a lot of assumption in there. For example, for my experience, karma most definitely does not exist. I have seen the nicest people I've ever known endure meaningless hardships for no discernible reason, and I've seen some of the worst people I've known be rewarded for terrible actions. As far as I'm concerned, karma is demonstrably nonexistent.
Secondly, you make no connection between karma and any kind of God. You simply assert that because you think karma exists, it must have been created, and the thing that created it must have been the same being or entity which all religions worship or allude to. There's no reason whatsoever to assume that karma was necessarily created, much less assume that what created it fits the criteria for any kind of God or other supernatural being.
I have the reason for your observation (Rebirth and past Karmas in past birth) but i dont believe you will agree to that so i drop that topic.
One thing we both can probably agree upon is to say that Suppose Karma DOES EXIST then it is the ONLY ONE philosophy in the world which puts the blame on our fortunes and misfortunes ON OURSELVES. Whatever good happens , we are the cause and vice versa.......SO KARMA IN FACT IS A GOOD THING.
We both can agree that A GOOD THING which essentially controls every living being on earth cannot be created by a DEVIL or a BAD ALIEN so that effectively rules out both Devil and a Bad Alien.
Based on our current understanding, there are only 2 GOOD entities responsible for making KARMA - either GOD or a GOOD ALIEN . A good Alien has not yet been discovered by science so it has to be GOD.
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
Wow, you became annoying quick.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
God hasn't been discovered by science either. :bonk:
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I agree that it would be a god thing if it existed - it's certainly infinitely better than, say, traditional Christian morality which determines infinite punishments/rewards for finite deeds is a universal and fair judgement - I just think it's completely contrary to reality. Many good deeds go unrewarded, bad things happen to good people, bad deeds can go unpunished and bad people can and do have good things happen to them.
But how did you reach that conclusion? Why couldn't karma have always existed, or simply been the result of some kind of natural process? Also, why conclude it is a God just because we have yet to discover an alien capable of creating it? We have yet to find a God, either, so by your own logic we could just as easily conclude an alien did it.
Regardless, your logic just doesn't pass muster.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Though if you're talking about aliens that potentially exist out there, they're pretty much indistinguishable from less-powerful "gods" anyway.
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
But wouldn't a microorganism found on mars be considered an "alien"?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Yes, but so would the Time Lords.
