What happens when we die?

[NoahideHiker]

Thank you for the blessing. You rather missed my point, I agreed with all of the first paragraph, I too am not Christian, kinda in between the Noahides and Christians.
One of my favorite people is a Noahide, Dr. Vendyl Jones from whom the "Indiana Jones" was created. He does not us the fairytales/fables found in and aroud the Talmud, they are by confused Rabbi's and they cause confussion.
Blessings to you also.

Dr. Jones has studied the Talmud at the Talmud Torah school in Greenville North Carolina and uses it quite a bit in his archeology work also. We must remember that the Talmud is a Jewish writing and very little of it is actual meant for Gentile consumption.

But I'll not try to convince you otherwise from your opinion. That's not my job. If you believe it or not has no baring on the elucidations and blessings I get from it.

And as always I must encourage that when we examine texts and traditions from other religions it is paramount that we at least get the info from those who practice the religion. In simple terms, learn about Talmud from the Jews, not the non Jews. Here are three great lectures from Rabbi Tovia Singer that does a great job of explaining it.

The Oral Law Part 1:
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/biblical.html#
The Oral Law Part 2:
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/biblical.html#
Does the Talmud Condone Murder, Pedophilia, and Idolatry?: http://www.outreachjudaism.org/biblical.html#

 

[Doodlebug02]

I think that what happens is that when we die, we either go to Heaven or Hell. After the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, all those that are left will go to the Great White Thrown Judgement and whoever was saved will go to Heaven and whoever was not saved or whoever received the Mark of the Beast will go to Hell for eternity.

 

[Ronald]

Dr. Jones has studied the Talmud at the Talmud Torah school in Greenville North Carolina and uses it quite a bit in his archeology work also. We must remember that the Talmud is a Jewish writing and very little of it is actual meant for Gentile consumption.

But I'll not try to convince you otherwise from your opinion. That's not my job. If you believe it or not has no baring on the elucidations and blessings I get from it.

And as always I must encourage that when we examine texts and traditions from other religions it is paramount that we at least get the info from those who practice the religion. In simple terms, learn about Talmud from the Jews, not the non Jews. Here are three great lectures from Rabbi Tovia Singer that does a great job of explaining it.

The Oral Law Part 1:
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/biblical.html#
The Oral Law Part 2:
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/biblical.html#
Does the Talmud Condone Murder, Pedophilia, and Idolatry?: http://www.outreachjudaism.org/biblical.html#

Add this one to your list. www.universaltorah.com
Shalom

 

[NoahideHiker]

Add this one to your list. www.universaltorah.com
Shalom

Wow! GReat site. I'm listening to Rabbi Richman on Light Unto the Nations right now on INR. Small world. Thanks for the link.

 

[Ronald]

I think that what happens is that when we die, we either go to Heaven or Hell. After the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, all those that are left will go to the Great White Thrown Judgement and whoever was saved will go to Heaven and whoever was not saved or whoever received the Mark of the Beast will go to Hell for eternity.

You missed the part of those who are resurrected, not only those who are left, but all that missed the first resurrection, the righteous or Godly are already living and reigning with Him.
My Rabbi teaches "All who call upon the name of the Lord are saved."
What does your Pastor say about the ones that say "Lord, Lord." are they not saved?
I get the impression they have called upon the name of the Lord.
So there must be something that goes on here as surely the two statements do not compute.
Doesn't your bible speak of the "Godly, the ungodly and those with a form of godliness.
It's a given that the Godly are saved and have eternal life, my savior said that those are not jugded, the Hebrew writings say the book of the wicked is sealed, they can't get out, so who is left to be judged? Could it be those who haven't been judged and have not been written into either the book of life or the book of the wicked?

Salvation, only requires faith in the Living God, entry into the kingdom has a much different requirement! Now do you see why both statements are true, one salvation and one entry into the kingdom, Mt 7:21 ¶ "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Then Peter in 2 Pe. 1:5 ¶ For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness,7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.8 For if these things are yours and abound, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.9 For whoever lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be the more zealous to confirm your call and election, for if you do this you will never fall;

Salvation is good, but "Election" is the best!

Shalom

 

[Ronald]

Shalom NoahideHiker, you're welcome.

 

[logician]

I think that what happens is that when we die, we either go to Heaven or Hell. After the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, all those that are left will go to the Great White Thrown Judgement and whoever was saved will go to Heaven and whoever was not saved or whoever received the Mark of the Beast will go to Hell for eternity.

"No human being has imagination enough to conceive of this infinite horror.
All that the human race has suffered in war and want, in pestilence and famine, in fire and flood all the pangs and pains of every disease and every death all of this is nothing compared with the agonies to be endured by one lost soul.
This is the consolation of the Christian religion. This is the justice of God the mercy of Christ.
This frightful dogma, this infinite lie, made me the implacable enemy of Christianity. The truth is that this belief in eternal pain has been the real persecutor. It founded the Inquisition, forged the chains, and furnished the fagots. It has darkened the lives of many millions. It made the cradle as terrible as the coffin. It enslaved nations and shed the blood of countless thousands. It sacrificed the wisest, the bravest and the best. It subverted the idea of justice, drove mercy from the heart, changed men to fiends and banished reason from the brain.
Like a venomous serpent it crawls and coils and hisses in every orthodox creed.
It makes man an eternal victim and God an eternal fiend. It is the one infinite horror. Every church in which it is taught is a public curse. Every preacher who teaches it is an enemy of mankind. Below this Christian dogma, savagery cannot go. It is the infinite of malice, hatred, and revenge.
Nothing could add to the horror of hell, except the presence of its creator, God.
While I have life, as long as I draw breath, I shall deny with all my strength, and hate with every drop of my blood, this infinite lie."​

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.........."Why I Am An Agnostic", 1896
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Robert Ingersoll

 

[athanasius]

What happens when we die?

Answer: Purgatory! Hopefully! LOL lets see how many fundies I can upset with that line of reasoning. LOL!

 

[may]

No.

There is a huge difference between the resurrection of the body and the immortality of the soul.

If humans have an immortal soul, these souls will exist eternally without any activity from God. If humans have to depend on God for a bodily resurrection, without God's activity, the body will remain dead, not living forever.

from my study of the bible the bible does not teach the ............immortality of the human soul . .....but it does teach the resurrection. this teaching of the immortality of the human soul is not a bible teaching , and many christians have been misled by this false teaching and it is a lie . Isaiah 28;14We have concluded a covenant with Death; and with She´ol we have effected a vision; the overflowing flash flood, in case it should pass through, will not come to us, for we have made a LIE our refuge and in FALSEHOODwe have concealed ourselves...................... the teaching of the immortality of the human soul is a lie and a falsehood . and many in christendom have made a covenent with it.:no:not only have they believed false teachings they have put their trust in political lies as well, manmade goverments will never bring peace to this earth and the only goverment that will bring peace is this one in daniel 2;44 but false religious leaders and those who listen to them have not put their vote in for this goverment in Daniel 2;44 . so they are making a covenent with a lie instead .it is a lie to say that manmade goverments will bring peace . and thinking that putting their trust in manmade political things will conceal them is a lie .

 

[James the Persian]

What happens when we die?

Answer: Purgatory! Hopefully! LOL lets see how many fundies I can upset with that line of reasoning. LOL!

I'm not a fundy, but I'd just love you to try and persuade me of the existence of purgatory. You must know that this is a late development of Roman Catholic doctrine, surely?

Whoever said that the doctrine of the immortal soul was pagan is quite right. Nothing and nobody is immortal save for God. That doesn't mean we'll cease to exist when we die because we are told that God wills that all should be saved, but it does mean that if God didn't will it we simply wouldn't exist. No part of us is intrinsically immortal.

James

 

[logician]

"What happens when you die?"

What about the obvious your body turns into dead matter and energy.

 

[sojourner]

"What happens when you die?"

What about the obvious your body turns into dead matter and energy.

What about, "The world, as you know it, ceases to exist?"

 

[athanasius]

I'm not a fundy, but I'd just love you to try and persuade me of the existence of purgatory. You must know that this is a late development of Roman Catholic doctrine, surely?

Whoever said that the doctrine of the immortal soul was pagan is quite right. Nothing and nobody is immortal save for God. That doesn't mean we'll cease to exist when we die because we are told that God wills that all should be saved, but it does mean that if God didn't will it we simply wouldn't exist. No part of us is intrinsically immortal.

James

Thanks James. I have discussed this with a Greek orthodox theologian in the USA and he has shown me that you guys believe in basically the same concept only you use different terminology and stress different points of this theology. If ii remember correctly you guys do not stress the suffering at all, but rather look to the being made perfect and holy(Which is also part of Roman Catholic teaching of purgatory). I understand the concept you guys use is similar to that of our eastern rite catholics. I know you eaterners get all stressed out over western concepts and words so I will leave it at that.

But may I ask what is wrong with doctrinal development? I would argue that the roots of purgatory(In seed like form) are in scripture and tradition and they naturally developed throught he fathers as the Holy Spirit saw fit to educate the Church on such issues. None in the early church questioned or brought to trial the purgatorial teaching of Augustine? Why? Heretics were being tried all over the early church for false teachings yet no one argued over this. Because the early church saw that the Purgatorial concept was a natural holy develpment and understanding from scripture and tradition.

Is it not part of the Holy Spirits fruits upon the church? Since you are English, have you ever read the book "The Essays on the development of Christians Doctrine" by John Henry Cardnial Newmann. Newmann was a english Scholar and great thinker who was protestant(Anglican) and tried to disprove catholic tradition and doctrine. He studied history and looked at how the dogmas of the Catholic Church developed. Dogmas like Purgatory(Which he covers in his book) and the Papacy and he shows how they are natural organic developments of the Holy Spirit. To make a long story short, he converted to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and became a Cardinal and one of the churches great thinkers. Give it a read you may find it interesting. It is written in prose. A hard read but a good one.

In the incarnate Jesus through his Immaculate Queen Mother Mary,
Athanasius

 

[jacquie4000]

What happens when we're dead? The irony is that all our questions wil be answered after we die. We spend our whole life trying to figure out the truth and the only way we'll find out what it is, is to get hit by a bus. And the only comfort that religion offers is that God is driving that bus

I think this quote sums it up for me.

Author: John Ryman

 

[sandy whitelinger]

What happens when I die. A whole lot of people jump for joy and praise God.

 

[may]

May, look up all the places where people are said to be resurrected and I'm sure you will find no reference to them being made immortal. IMO, they all died again!

Bick

yes i agree , those who were resurrected did die again. but in the future resurrection it will be forever , this future resurrection will for most people be an earthly resurrection to live on a paradise earth .John 5;28-29 Jesus when he resurrected Lazurus was just showing on a small scale how with power from his father how easy it will be to resurrect people . but in the future resurrection we will have the chance to live forever. the last enemy to be swallowed up forever is death

(Revelation 7:17) because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes."
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(Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away."

 

[may]

What happens when we're dead? The irony is that all our questions wil be answered after we die. We spend our whole life trying to figure out the truth and the only way we'll find out what it is, is to get hit by a bus. And the only comfort that religion offers is that God is driving that bus

I think this quote sums it up for me.

Author: John Ryman

if we allow ouselves to be taught by Jehovah we nolonger have to figure out the truth , we know the truth and it sets us free. and our comfort is knowing that God is not driving a bus of death , he is driving us to everlasting life.
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. John 17;3

 

[logician]

When you die, you're dead as a doornail.


Prove otherwise, besides quoting religious text.

 

[Rough_ER]

“From my rotting body, flowers shall grow and I am in them and that is eternity.” - Edvard Munch

 

[Halcyon]

When you die, you're dead as a doornail.


Prove otherwise, besides quoting religious text.

A doornail has never been alive, so its not dead .