What Happens When You Die?

[Thief]

Thinking is what has led you astray, and why you come up with the erroneous knit-witted notions that you do, as not only I, but just about everyone else on this forum has pointed out. And now you want me to be like you? No way.

All I can do is point people back to the present moment, so they may find a way to return to where they always are via Awakening, instead of entertaining unfounded fantasies of some fluffy pie in the sky cotton candy notions about a life other than the one we are now living. All we have is now, and this life we live. A single thought of greener grass is to miss the rare opportunity of living our full potential in this eternal present moment.

So I'm not trying to 'get anywhere' because I am already here. I've arrived. Have you? Or do you live in the dead past of memory or daydeream of the yet non existent future?

Jumping back and forth between 'you' and 'I' while denying 'you' and 'I' exist is a thoughtless philosophy.

Ego tripping for the last post?.....yes you are.

 

[godnotgod]

Jumping back and forth between 'you' and 'I' while denying 'you' and 'I' exist is a thoughtless philosophy.

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There is no "I" that jumps, nor that is in possession of any philosophy.

There is only your delusion, seeing dancing cave wall shadows of 'you' and 'I' jumping back and forth where none actually exist.

Perhaps you are nothing more than a wilo'the'wisp, a mere fignment of your own imagination, flitting about in dreamland hither and thither, thinking you actually exist. You don't.

When I awoke into my life,
a sobbing dwarf
whom giants served
only as they pleased,
I was not what I seemed.

WH Auden

It's time to grow out of those concocted beliefs you cherish so dearly, Thief, and which provide you with the warmth of your security blankee, and boldly crush the cave of phantoms in a single blow, once and for all. Then you'll be free. :angel2:

 

[Thief]

There is no "I" that jumps, nor that is in possession of any philosophy.

There is only your delusion, seeing dancing cave wall shadows of 'you' and 'I' jumping back and forth where none actually exist.

Perhaps you are nothing more than a wilo'the'wisp, a mere fignment of your own imagination, flitting about in dreamland hither and thither, thinking you actually exist. You don't.

When I awoke into my life,
a sobbing dwarf
whom giants served
only as they pleased,
I was not what I seemed.

WH Auden

It's time to grow out of those concocted beliefs you cherish so dearly, Thief, and which provide you with the warmth of your security blankee, and boldly crush the cave of phantoms in a single blow, once and for all. Then you'll be free. :angel2:

Drop the salad and go eat some meat.

 

[godnotgod]

Drop the salad and go eat some meat.

You can join me, if you wish, but first you must tear yourself away from those hypnotic cave wall shadows that enslave your mind, such as your unfounded terror of spending an eternity screaming your bloody head off buried in some forgotten grave.

Are you ready to awaken from your reveries yet?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Don't eat meat, they are God's creation, part of his own Self, and ours

 

[Intertia]

Thinking is what has led you astray, and why you come up with the erroneous knit-witted notions that you do,?

Thinking isn't what 'led him astray'

It's the fact that he has encountered no evidence which lead him to this as the only logically valid outcome, and therefore he cannot accept it as truth.

Perhaps you have had some experience which has lead you to this as the only logically valid outcome, but personally experience only results in subjective truths, not objective ones. He is not at fault for accepting it as what it is to him: Speculation.

 

[Thief]

Thinking isn't what 'led him astray'

It's the fact that he has encountered no evidence which lead him to this as the only logically valid outcome, and therefore he cannot accept it as truth.

Perhaps you have had some experience which has lead you to this as the only logically valid outcome, but personally experience only results in subjective truths, not objective ones. He is not at fault for accepting it as what it is to him: Speculation.

Assumption is a useful tool applied properly.

Make and assumption......Spirit first?...or substance?

 

[Thief]

You can join me, if you wish, but first you must tear yourself away from those hypnotic cave wall shadows that enslave your mind, such as your unfounded terror of spending an eternity screaming your bloody head off buried in some forgotten grave.

Are you ready to awaken from your reveries yet?

The scenario pending is yours not mine.

Heaven willing I shall be just fine.

oh!...that's right.....you don't exist.
I'm not really having a discussion with another intelligent being.
I just 'think' so.

 

[godnotgod]

Thinking isn't what 'led him astray'

It's the fact that he has encountered no evidence which lead him to this as the only logically valid outcome, and therefore he cannot accept it as truth.

Perhaps you have had some experience which has lead you to this as the only logically valid outcome, but personally experience only results in subjective truths, not objective ones. He is not at fault for accepting it as what it is to him: Speculation.

There are personal inner experiences, then there are impersonal spiritual experiences. The latter leads to a merging of subject/object. This merging is called Divine Union. It is not your opinion, belief, doctrine, or speculation about Reality: it is the unmistakable direct experience of Reality itself, with nothing in the way, such as THINKING.

It is precisely because of Reason and Logic that erroneous conclusions are reached, because nature is not based on either. I am not holding him to blame for his conclusion; but they are illogical nonetheless, though they seem logical to him. IOW, it does not follow that (in his world) just because we have billions of 'copies' that seemingly die for nothing, that there MUST be an afterlife.

 

[godnotgod]

The Yellow Brick Road Heaven willing I shall be just fine.

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Cave Wall Shadow Speculation of 'another world' of greener grass equating to jumping into an empty swimming pool.

Try swimming in the water you already find yourself in, now. Don't get tangled up in Warm Security Blankee of Belief as it will drag you to the bottom.

Remember Our Number One Swimming Rule:

Belief Clings!

Faith Lets Go!

Let go and float.

 

[godnotgod]

oh!...that's right.....you don't exist.
I'm not really having a discussion with another intelligent being.
I just 'think' so.

The "I" that thinks so is a self created illusion, when all that is really going on is an intelligent discussion, without any added "discussers".

The rain falls and the flowers bloom.

There is no 'rainmaker', nor 'flower bloomer'.

Likewise, there is no such 'discusser' of the discussion. There is only the discussion itself. Only when the thought arises is there an "I" doing the discussion. Otherwise, there is none apparent. Therefore, "I" is only a thought, and not something real.

It is a problem of language. For example, we say: 'It is raining', when there is no such 'it' that rains; there is, in fact, only raining.

 

[Tiapan]

What Happens When You Die?

Not much

Cheers

 

[Thief]

The "I" that thinks so is a self created illusion, when all that is really going on is an intelligent discussion, without any added "discussers".

The rain falls and the flowers bloom.

There is no 'rainmaker', nor 'flower bloomer'.

Likewise, there is no such 'discusser' of the discussion. There is only the discussion itself. Only when the thought arises is there an "I" doing the discussion. Otherwise, there is none apparent. Therefore, "I" is only a thought, and not something real.

It is a problem of language. For example, we say: 'It is raining', when there is no such 'it' that rains; there is, in fact, only raining.

It's a problem of language alright.
and your banner reads....wisdom of the ridiculous....

 

[Nakosis]

Thinking isn't what 'led him astray'

It's the fact that he has encountered no evidence which lead him to this as the only logically valid outcome, and therefore he cannot accept it as truth.

Perhaps you have had some experience which has lead you to this as the only logically valid outcome, but personally experience only results in subjective truths, not objective ones. He is not at fault for accepting it as what it is to him: Speculation.

Thinking distracts a person from the truth. The truth is now. The experience of each moment.

Obviously I'm not immune to thinking. I constantly engage in it. Sometimes however, it is nice to stop the thinking and just experience the peace of being here and now. Giving the mind a rest from its constant internal dialog.

 

[godnotgod]

It's a problem of language alright.
and your banner reads....wisdom of the ridiculous....

Right. That which only seems to be the case, is not the case.

You will be freed from the stockade upon answering one question:

Where is "I"?

Otherwise, your persistence that it exists without adequate demonstration to that effect will be considered ridiculous, but not wise.

 

[Thief]

Right. That which only seems to be the case, is not the case.

You will be freed from the stockade upon answering one question:

Where is "I"?

Otherwise, your persistence that it exists without adequate demonstration to that effect will be considered ridiculous, but not wise.

You must be skinny as hell.
All that word salad and no meat.

 

[godnotgod]

You must be skinny as hell.
All that word salad and no meat.

Oh, I forgot.

Three simple words:

"Where is "I"?

does indeed appear to be an incomprehensible word salad to the mind of a simpleton.

Can I rephrase the question for you?

 

[Robert.Evans]

"Where is "I"?

"I" is everything. Without 'I', there is no 'you'... haha

 

[godnotgod]

"I" is everything. Without 'I', there is no 'you'... haha

What is it that "I" or "you"is referring to?

 

[Thief]

Oh, I forgot.

Three simple words:

"Where is "I"?

does indeed appear to be an incomprehensible word salad to the mind of a simpleton.

Can I rephrase the question for you?

Only if you first confess.....YOU.....will be there to carry on this posting.

Oh! that's right!....YOU don't exist.

Your postings are an illusion.
You're just a bad dream in a degraded thread.
You're just and illusion.
and you are fading into oblivion even as 'I' continue........