What Happens When You Die?

[godnotgod]

Only if you first confess.....YOU.....will be there to carry on this posting.

Oh! that's right!....YOU don't exist.

Your postings are an illusion.
You're just a bad dream in a degraded thread.
You're just and illusion.
and you are fading into oblivion even as 'I' continue........

There is no such "I" that fades nor continues;
there is only fading and continuing, without a fader or continuer.

There is no thinker of thoughts called "I".

"You' and "I" are nothing more than ideas which consciousness has attached to and deluded itself into thinking them real.

Yes, there is real consciousness at the other end of your screen, but no "I".

There is thinking and composing and typing, but no thinker, composer, or typer.

Anything other than thinking, composing, or typing is excess baggage, baggage that fancies itself continuing on in a cotton candy afterlife in which it will continue to receive slurpy ego gratification from the Big Ego in the Sky.

Throughout the history of man, no one has ever found this impostor called "I", though they refer to him daily. "I" this, and "I" that, and so on ad nauseum, but still no "I".

The defenders of "I" even claim it was born and dies and goes to its Reward or Punishment, the Reward just another means of ego gratification that says: "MY 'I' is better than YOUR 'I'...ha ha ha!

Still others are terrified their "I" might get caught in some cold, forgotten grave, screaming its bloody head off for all eternity, with no one there to hear.

And yes, some even say their "I" simply comes to an abrupt halt when "I"s form ceases to function.

IAy yai yai!

Once and for all, let us put this question to rest:

Show us all, o sage of sages:

Where is "I"?

 

[Thief]

There is no such "I" that fades nor continues;
there is only fading and continuing, without a fader or continuer.

There is no thinker of thoughts called "I".

"You' and "I" are nothing more than ideas which consciousness has attached to and deluded itself into thinking them real.

Yes, there is real consciousness at the other end of your screen, but no "I".

There is thinking and composing and typing, but no thinker, composer, or typer.

Anything other than thinking, composing, or typing is excess baggage, baggage that fancies itself continuing on in a cotton candy afterlife in which it will continue to receive slurpy ego gratification from the Big Ego in the Sky.

Throughout the history of man, no one has ever found this impostor called "I", though they refer to him daily. "I" this, and "I" that, and so on ad nauseum, but still no "I".

The defenders of "I" even claim it was born and dies and goes to its Reward or Punishment, the Reward just another means of ego gratification that says: "MY 'I' is better than YOUR 'I'...ha ha ha!

Still others are terrified their "I" might get caught in some cold, forgotten grave, screaming its bloody head off for all eternity, with no one there to hear.

And yes, some even say their "I" simply comes to an abrupt halt when "I"s form ceases to function.

IAy yai yai!

Once and for all, let us put this question to rest:

Show us all, o sage of sages:

Where is "I"?

So much for that wave action you like to lean on.
So much for that drop in the ocean routine.....

So much for your word salad.

 

[godnotgod]

So much for that wave action you like to lean on.
So much for that drop in the ocean routine.....

So much for your word salad.

Those who refuse to use their brain see only word salad.

 

[Thief]

Those who refuse to use their brain see only word salad.

Those who have no use of their brain...post word salad.

 

[godnotgod]

Those who have no use of their brain...post word salad.

Not a problem.

Posting:

'Where is "I" ?

is a no-brainer that only continues to appear as word salad to those stuck at the first step.

So do you understand the question, or does it need a little dressing?

 

[Thief]

Not a problem.

Posting:

'Where is "I" ?

is a no-brainer that only continues to appear as word salad to those stuck at the first step.

So do you understand the question, or does it need a little dressing?

'I' got the question....and 'I' don't like dressing on salad.
'You' really need to get of the non-existence routine.
'You' don't do it very well.
sorry.

 

[Robert.Evans]

'I' got the question....and 'I' don't like dressing on salad.
'You' really need to get of the non-existence routine.
'You' don't do it very well.
sorry.

I think it seems fair to say that we exist..

 

[Thief]

yeah but....GnG wants that last post...
He's got a real ego thing going on.

 

[godnotgod]

'I' got the question....and 'I' don't like dressing on salad.
'You' really need to get of the non-existence routine.
'You' don't do it very well.
sorry.

I will get off the 'non existence routine' when you can show me where this so called "I" is that you merely assume exists. You can't, so you continue to evade the question. Just saying "I" and "you" does not make them real, any more than the "it" in "it rains" is real.

So get off the "I exist" routine unless you can provide an adequate answer. Otherwise, it will have to be assumed that you actually don't know what the hell you're talking about, as you prance about displaying the peacock feathers of the egotistic "I". "I" this, and "I" that, and blah blah blah.

Where is "I"?

 

[godnotgod]

yeah but....GnG wants that last post...
He's got a real ego thing going on.

...and yet, your ego is the one claiming the ego-I exists! Of course it does! The ego doesn't want to die, but die it must! Just a matter of time....just a matter of time. But, oh no! It not only wants to go on living, it wants to go on to an afterlife, where it can enjoy being "I" eternally, so it can be stroked and gratified eternally, a mere has been carrying around a dead corpse of wretched excess baggage, and in so doing, can therefore have the last post.

I could care less about the last post. I just want a straight answer:

Where is "I"?

Hmmmmmmm?

 

[godnotgod]

I think it seems fair to say that we exist..

I don't think so.

Understand that I am only using the word "I" as a matter of convention.

There is no such "I" anywhere to be found.

Where is this "I" that you claim exists?

That's all I'm asking.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I don't think so.

Understand that I am only using the word "I" as a matter of convention.

There is no such "I" anywhere to be found.

Where is this "I" that you claim exists?

That's all I'm asking.

It is seen in you, it is seen in me. It is 'I' who answers you, another 'I'

 

[godnotgod]

It is seen in you, it is seen in me. It is 'I' who answers you, another 'I'

Using the words "I", and "you" and "me" do not create their reality; they only create the illusion of the reality. They are merely ideas. There is no such thing as "I" in actuality. It is just a self-created principle to which we attach and then think is real.

Show me this "I". Where is it's locale?

 

[Nakosis]

Using the words "I", and "you" and "me" do not create their reality; they only create the illusion of the reality. They are merely ideas. There is no such thing as "I" in actuality. It is just a self-created principle to which we attach and then think is real.

Show me this "I". Where is it's locale?

Who or what created/creates the reality we perceive?

I perceive an experience of separateness wherein I perceive "God". Having the same reality of any other experience of reality I have.

I perceive an experience of separation from the Logos, the Son of God having this same reality of experience.

I perceive a separation betwixt you and myself, all an apparent reality.

I experience a non-existence of any thing. Where there is no I.

All these experiences, a perception of reality?

Who or what is creating these apparent realities. It's not something I am conscious of doing. Therefore it seams I've no control over any of these apparent realities.

Wish I did, it'd be nice to change a few things around. So this causes me to think it is not me in control. It's not me creating these realities.

Though my imagination is pretty good, I know that I am in control of it.

 

[godnotgod]

Who or what created/creates the reality we perceive?

I perceive an experience of separateness wherein I perceive "God". Having the same reality of any other experience of reality I have.

I perceive an experience of separation from the Logos, the Son of God having this same reality of experience.

I perceive a separation betwixt you and myself, all an apparent reality.

I experience a non-existence of any thing. Where there is no I.

All these experiences, a perception of reality?

Who or what is creating these apparent realities. It's not something I am conscious of doing. Therefore it seams I've no control over any of these apparent realities.

Wish I did, it'd be nice to change a few things around. So this causes me to think it is not me in control. It's not me creating these realities.

Though my imagination is pretty good, I know that I am in control of it.

Prior to a spiritual Awakening, there is the self; the doer of all things; the ego that acts upon the world.

When the Awakening occurs, one's view is completely transformed, so that what one previously thought to be Reality, is not that way. We now see things as they actually are. Where we once saw mountains as mountains via our conditioned mind, that is to say, 'mountains' via our description of mountains, we now only see mountains as mountains, and nothing more.

Where we once imagined a self that was the thinker of thoughts; the doer of all things, we now see that as a completely illusory and manufactured entity, as difficult as it may be to face this very fact of the human condition.

There is perceptual reality via the mind and the senses; then there is Ultimate, or Awakened Reality, that is beyond mind, the senses, and the phenomenal world.

We live in a dream world we only think to be real. Only upon Awakening will this become apparent.

The five colors blind the eye.
The five tones deafen the ear.
The five flavors dull the taste.
Racing and hunting madden the mind.
Precious things lead one astray.

Therefore the sage is guided by what he feels* and not by what he sees.
He lets go of that and chooses this.

Tao te Ching, Ch 12

*via the intuitive mind, not the perceptual/conceptual mind.
*****

Truly, “Only he that rids himself forever of desire can see the Secret Essences”;
He that has never rid himself of desire can see only the Outcomes.
These two things issued from the same mould, but nevertheless are different in name.
This “same mould” we can but call the Mystery,
Or rather the “Darker than any Mystery”,
The Doorway whence issued all Secret Essences.

Tao te Ching, Ch 1

 

[godnotgod]

Who or what created/creates the reality we perceive?

All these experiences, a perception of reality?

Who or what is creating these apparent realities. It's not something I am conscious of doing. Therefore it seams I've no control over any of these apparent realities.

We have become conditioned since birth. It, along with our biology, is hard wired into our consciousness to the point that we don't notice how it determines both our behavior and how we see things. It is takes center stage so much that our True Nature has fallen asleep, or is overwhelmed by all the outward clamor of daily life.

A sage once said:

"Control, or no-control: both are a grievous error"

Our attention has been caught and we are pulled this way and that in the drama we call life. The more we try to control things, the more out of control they become. But we cannot just let things slide either, so what can we do?

We can nurture a state of awareness that is not yanked around by conditions or the whims of others, which is just another way of saying not to allow our conditioned mind to determine our behavior, as if we were puppets without any say so. By nurturing an unconditioned awareness, we can awaken a nature that is not pushed around by circumstance, but also does not interfere in the world which only creates more ripples. When this unconditioned awareness is nurtured, consciousness is expanded, allowing us to SEE the mechanical goings on of the conditioned self, which is always clamoring for attention. By only observing its behavior and not trying to control how it acts, it eventually begins to soften and subside. It has been found out, and at first, will do everything in its power to retain control over one's mind. The sage Mooji likens this mechanical self to a beggar waiting at your door when you come home. He asks for a sandwich, and when you go to make him a sandwich, you return only to find him in your living room. He then coaxes a way for you to let him stay overnight in the parlor. Eventually, you find him in your bed, refusing to leave.

Ultimately, there can only be control, or no-control if there is a self subject to, or the initiator of either. Where is this 'self' called "I"?

"The vital force itself is the animating power of this universe. The human being is itself an effect in consciousness. It is not the operator or controller of consciousness. If one understands this, a great unburdening takes place."
Mooji

You Know It's a Movie:

 

[Robert.Evans]

Prior to a spiritual Awakening, there is the self; the doer of all things; the ego that acts upon the world.

When the Awakening occurs, one's view is completely transformed, so that what one previously thought to be Reality, is not that way. We now see things as they actually are. Where we once saw mountains as mountains via our conditioned mind, that is to say, 'mountains' via our description of mountains, we now only see mountains as mountains, and nothing more.

Where we once imagined a self that was the thinker of thoughts; the doer of all things, we now see that as a completely illusory and manufactured entity, as difficult as it may be to face this very fact of the human condition.

There is perceptual reality via the mind and the senses; then there is Ultimate, or Awakened Reality, that is beyond mind, the senses, and the phenomenal world.

We live in a dream world we only think to be real. Only upon Awakening will this become apparent.

The five colors blind the eye.
The five tones deafen the ear.
The five flavors dull the taste.
Racing and hunting madden the mind.
Precious things lead one astray.

Therefore the sage is guided by what he feels* and not by what he sees.
He lets go of that and chooses this.

Tao te Ching, Ch 12

*via the intuitive mind, not the perceptual/conceptual mind.
*****

Truly, “Only he that rids himself forever of desire can see the Secret Essences”;
He that has never rid himself of desire can see only the Outcomes.
These two things issued from the same mould, but nevertheless are different in name.
This “same mould” we can but call the Mystery,
Or rather the “Darker than any Mystery”,
The Doorway whence issued all Secret Essences.

Ok, I can go with that. But what else do we call ourselves other than I??

 

[godnotgod]

Ok, I can go with that. But what else do we call ourselves other than I??

In either case, we still refer to ourselves as "I". Some use it purely as a matter of convention; others with the belief that it is real. Remember, even the Enlightened still need to live in the world that the conditioned mind has created.

 

[Robert.Evans]

In either case, we still refer to ourselves as "I". Some use it purely as a matter of convention; others with the belief that it is real. Remember, even the Enlightened still need to live in the world that the conditioned mind has created.

so if you are saying that there is the egotistical I and then there is the higher I, then 'I' have no problem with that.
But all thing are about the higher 'I', and that is the capital 'S' of Self. It is that which is the All and is within us. that is the lord.

 

[Robert.Evans]

There is no such "I" that fades nor continues;
there is only fading and continuing, without a fader or continuer.

There is no thinker of thoughts called "I".

"You' and "I" are nothing more than ideas which consciousness has attached to and deluded itself into thinking them real.

Yes, there is real consciousness at the other end of your screen, but no "I".

There is thinking and composing and typing, but no thinker, composer, or typer.

Anything other than thinking, composing, or typing is excess baggage, baggage that fancies itself continuing on in a cotton candy afterlife in which it will continue to receive slurpy ego gratification from the Big Ego in the Sky.

Throughout the history of man, no one has ever found this impostor called "I", though they refer to him daily. "I" this, and "I" that, and so on ad nauseum, but still no "I".

The defenders of "I" even claim it was born and dies and goes to its Reward or Punishment, the Reward just another means of ego gratification that says: "MY 'I' is better than YOUR 'I'...ha ha ha!

Still others are terrified their "I" might get caught in some cold, forgotten grave, screaming its bloody head off for all eternity, with no one there to hear.

And yes, some even say their "I" simply comes to an abrupt halt when "I"s form ceases to function.

IAy yai yai!

Once and for all, let us put this question to rest:

Show us all, o sage of sages:

Where is "I"?

You don't believe in an after life then?!? I,I,I, I don't know what to say.