What Happens When You Die?

[Thief]

Concepts are false only. Most faulty are of course your ideas, which are firmly rooted on a firm ego sense associated with the most faulty concept 'this body is me'. Being such, all your idea are faulty in infinite ways.

:clap

Excuse me!....I don't believe that and likely never said so.

The body is only a means to form the spirit....which 'I' call.....'me'.

When the body fails....'I' will continue.

 

[atanu]

The body is only a means to form the spirit....which 'I' call.....'me'.

When the body fails....'I' will continue.

How do you know?

 

[atanu]

False concept.
You are having a linear existence.
Denial is futile.
(magic is your reference?)

Do you exist in deep sleep?

 

[jtartar]

In a recent interview, famed medical doctor and spiritualist Deepak Chopra stated the following:

Q: What happens when you die, Deepak?

Chopra: What happens when you die, is you return to where you always are. If you realize right now that there's no such thing as a person, you'll be all set.

Q: What do you mean, I'll be all set?

Chopra: Then if you shift your identity to that consciousness that is differentiating as observer and observant, you'll know there's nothing to fear.

Q: You have no fear of death.

Chopra: No Sir! Why? Because I don't exist in the first place!

Q: Can you get reincarnated as a soul?

Chopra: [Sighs] Wisps of memory and threads of desire, which are specks of information, latch onto specks of consciousness and show up as recycled human beings. But in the bigger picture, the observer, the observed, the process of observation, is a single reality.

Q: So... Deepak Chopra, as I know him [questioner taps the sitting Chopra solidly on the knee for effect] my friend Chopra... doesn't exist?

Chopra: A transient behavior of... the total universe.

What do you think Chopra means when he says:

"What happens when you die, is you return to where you always are."

Here also is the video of the interview:

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Deepak Chopra "Life After Death" Interview Hottype - YouTube

godnotgod,
These statements are the reason why God had His word written, so that we could go to His word to search out the truth, 2Tim 3:16,17. Many times we are warned about the philosophies of men and men's doctrines, Ps 146:3,4, Jere 17:5, Col 2:8, 2Pet 2:1-3.
Consider what Jesus said about men who listen to men and believe in men's doctrines, Mark 7:7-9, 13.
This is what all men must do if they want to please God, Prov 3:5,6, Prov 2:2-10, 1John 3:23. Of course these are just a few of the things a true Christian does, Titus 2:14.
A true Christian should also expect to experience persecution, in fact, if he does not he is not a true Christian, Heb 12:5-8, Luke 6:21-23, 26, 2Tim 3:12, John 16:2-4.

 

[Thief]

How do you know?

Been blind seven days......did not stop 'seeing'.
Have know my limbs when cold and unresponsive.....did not stop 'feeling'.

And the alternative is grime.....not 'being allowed' to continue.

If non-existence is what you seek...you shall have it.
(cause and effect)

I seek otherwise.

 

[Thief]

Do you exist in deep sleep?

yeah.

 

[godnotgod]

godnotgod,
These statements are the reason why God had His word written, so that we could go to His word to search out the truth, 2Tim 3:16,17. Many times we are warned about the philosophies of men and men's doctrines, Ps 146:3,4, Jere 17:5, Col 2:8, 2Pet 2:1-3.
Consider what Jesus said about men who listen to men and believe in men's doctrines, Mark 7:7-9, 13.
This is what all men must do if they want to please God, Prov 3:5,6, Prov 2:2-10, 1John 3:23. Of course these are just a few of the things a true Christian does, Titus 2:14.
A true Christian should also expect to experience persecution, in fact, if he does not he is not a true Christian, Heb 12:5-8, Luke 6:21-23, 26, 2Tim 3:12, John 16:2-4.

Listen to what Chopra is saying: He says that where he goes after death is to return to where he always is. You can call the destination 'God', if you wish. He is saying he returns to the eternal, 'that which always is', which is nothing less than "I am". Actually, 'return' is the wrong word, and he uses it only as convention. What he really means is that he has never left the Infinite; he was just lost in the state of Identification. Awakening dissolves the dream-state of Identification, of the idea of an individual ego acting upon the world.

The problem with Christianity, is that it assumes an individual 'self' that survives death and is in need of 'salvation'. But the self is an illusion. If you insist it to be real, then demonstrate that this is so.

The difference between the goal of Christianity and that of the East is that Christianity's goal is salvation, while that of Eastern wisdom is spiritual awakening. Christianity plays the Religion Game; the East plays the Master Game.

'Jesus' is nothing more than a concoction of St. Paul, Roman doctrines written over the original teachings of Yeshu, who was an Essene Nazarene mystic. The Essenes were influenced by Buddhist and Hindu thought, not the mystery religions such as Mithraism, in which blood sacrifice was a core theme. Yeshu neither believed nor taught blood sacrifice. Essentially, modern Christianity is Paulism, not Christianity.

 

[Thief]

Listen to what Chopra is saying: He says that where he goes after death is to return to where he always is. You can call the destination 'God', if you wish. He is saying he returns to the eternal, 'that which always is', which is nothing less than "I am". Actually, 'return' is the wrong word, and he uses it only as convention. What he really means is that he has never left the Infinite; he was just lost in the state of Identification. Awakening dissolves the dream-state of Identification, of the idea of an individual ego acting upon the world.

Nay to all that agree with this above.

We are made as individuals.
We will continue as such....or not at all.

Not much point in creating so many individuals only to have them 'melt'.

 

[godnotgod]

Been blind seven days......did not stop 'seeing'.
Have know my limbs when cold and unresponsive.....did not stop 'feeling'.

And the alternative is grime.....not 'being allowed' to continue.

If non-existence is what you seek...you shall have it.
(cause and effect)

I seek otherwise.

The dog chases its own tail...uh...'tale'.

 

[Thief]

The dog chases its own tail...uh...'tale'.

Still 'lost' in your wordplay...'I' see.

 

[atanu]

Been blind seven days......did not stop 'seeing'.
Have know my limbs when cold and unresponsive.....did not stop 'feeling'.
And the alternative is grime.....not 'being allowed' to continue.
If non-existence is what you seek...you shall have it.
(cause and effect)

I seek otherwise.

Yes. I seek freedom from the Ego. You seem to seek an eternal bondage. Agree.

 

[atanu]

Do you exist in deep sleep?

yeah.

Thus, an absense of a sense of "i" and its corresponding world is not non-existence.

You seem not think and ponder as to what fullness of Being means.

 

[Thief]

Thus, an absense of a sense of "i" and its corresponding world is not non-existence.

You seem not think and ponder as to what fullness of Being means.

This and your previous post are too brief.

Care to rebuttal?

I see no means to say we are intended to be something less.....
we increase in mind and heart day by day.

Dying is the point of transformation.
In spirit....we continue.

 

[Gurtej]

All atoms of our body will be blown in space into disintegration of solar system to live on forever as mass or energy ..

Religiously u can believe whatever u want

 

[Thief]

All atoms of our body will be blown in space into disintegration of solar system to live on forever as mass or energy ..

Religiously u can believe whatever u want

I have no religion.
I believe in continuation because....
There are billions of copies of a form that can do little more than learn.
Each occasion forms a new and unique spirit....'you'.

I think is it completely unreasonable to say we all return to dust.

Billions of people...each to fail surviving the last breath?
Afterlife can't happen?
No heaven?
No hierarchy?

Can't agree to that.

 

[atanu]

Care to rebuttal?

I see no means to say we are intended to be something less.....
we increase in mind and heart day by day.

Dying is the point of transformation.
In spirit....we continue.

Debate, with the intention of improving understanding cannot take place when one sticks to an unfounded belief. Your belief of 'linear existence 'we increase in mind and heart day by day', is neither supported by reason nor by scripture.

Ecclesiastes

---What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.

I do not wish to to waste time with you anymore. No offence meant. Best.


If you ever question your own beliefs, then we may resume, perhaps?

 

[Thief]

Debate, with the intention of improving understanding cannot take place when one sticks to an unfounded belief. Your belief of 'linear existence 'we increase in mind and heart day by day', is neither supported by reason nor by scripture.

Not founded upon reason...how so?

We live one day at a time....learn new things day by day....

Intention of improving understanding....(your words)....
Is a linear event....(my words)

Increase in mind and heart day by day....of course we do.
You have been increasing with almost every breath....everyday of your life.

How is this unreasonable?

 

[godnotgod]

Not founded upon reason...how so?

We live one day at a time....learn new things day by day....

Intention of improving understanding....(your words)....
Is a linear event....(my words)

Increase in mind and heart day by day....of course we do.
You have been increasing with almost every breath....everyday of your life.

How is this unreasonable?

It isn't. It IS reasonable, but that is the problem. Realization does not come about as a result of linear accumulation of what we learn via reason and logic, but via a sudden insight into what is, as in the following video:


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Alan Watts - Time To Wake Up - YouTube

 

[Thief]

It isn't. It IS reasonable, but that is the problem. Realization does not come about as a result of linear accumulation of what we learn via reason and logic, but via a sudden insight into what is, as in the following video:

Reason and logic ARE the source of realization. (insight)

If you can't think you're not going to increase.

 

[godnotgod]

Reason and logic ARE the source of realization. (insight)

If you can't think you're not going to increase.

Increase what? Your stockpile of accumulated psychological and emotional baggage? There is nothing to 'increase'; Reality, the 'I Am', is already complete just as it is. Don't think that you can add to it via the puny rational mind. Knowledge is not insight. Seeing directly into the heart of the matter is, and Reason and Logic stand squarely in the way as superimpositions over Reality itself. They are conceptual products of the self-created mind. Thought via mind leads us astray; seeing, without thought, via pure consciousness (I Am) is the direct connection to Reality itself.

Reason, Logic, and Analysis, good as they are for their appointed purpose, are based on fact, and fact is always from the past, as facts held in memory. Applying them to achieve insight is to superimpose the residue of the past over the living present. If you want more factual knowledge, OK; but if you want spiritual insight, one must use a form of knowledge beyond their limited capabilities. It is because of these inherent limitations that Science cannot pierce into the secrets of the universe; all it can do is to provide more facts.

In the video I provided, the man had to finally see through the machinations of Reason (as tied to linear Time) that they were useless in his actual being in the real present moment.

Living by the clock, via linear Time, Thief, is to live in the dead past. Awaken to the I Am that is alive in this eternal Present Moment.