What Happens When You Die?

[godnotgod]

This is as intellectual as it can get. A name has a corresponding reality, howsoever transient that may be.

Why is there any need to argue, filling page after page?

There is no argument. We are having a discussion, no?

Where is the thinker of thoughts? The name is attached to a temporal Identity, which is fictional. The name is not the person. There is no writer of the written word on this end; there is only the writing of words.

The mind accumulates images, impressions, values, titles, personal experiences over a lifetime and collectively calls them "I". There is no such entity, just as there is no river that flows, whirlpool, or wave on the sea's surface. There is only flowing, whirling, and waving water. We are actions, not self-entities.

 

[Thief]

This is as intellectual as it can get. A name has a corresponding reality, howsoever transient that may be.

Why is there any need to argue, filling page after page?

My God doesn't have a name.
But there is a corresponding reality.....His creation.
(not very transient.....reality will be here for awhile)

Filler page?
How about filler flesh.
Newborns.....one after another.

 

[atanu]

The mind accumulates images, impressions, values, titles, personal experiences over a lifetime and collectively calls them "I". There is no such entity, just as there is no river that flows, whirlpool, or wave on the sea's surface. There is only flowing, whirling, and waving water. We are actions, not self-entities.

Actually I do not think that the metaphor of River or of a Chariot that Buddhists are fond of using, are complete in themselves. Both these examples ignore the fact that the whole is distinct from the parts. Ego may not be in charge of dissolving itself on its own.

 

[viole]

What do you think Chopra means when he says:

"What happens when you die, is you return to where you always are."

I think he means an absurdity, as it is often the case.

You cannot possibly return to what you always are. If you return, it means you were not in the state you return into. After all, if I am home today, it does not make any sense to say that I return back home today, no matter what I do.

He should have said: you return to what you ALMOST always are/were.

Ciao

- viole

 

[atanu]

What one is actually never changes. Dreams, like clouds, come and go. That is the whole point.

 

[godnotgod]

yeah right.....
There's no one responding to my posts!

What a laugh!
heheheheheheheheheh!

That is perfectly correct. There is neither anyone responding to your posts, nor anyone laughing like: heheheheheheheheheh. There is only response and laughing, with no responder or laugher to be found.

 

[godnotgod]

Actually I do not think that the metaphor of River or of a Chariot that Buddhists are fond of using, are complete in themselves. Both these examples ignore the fact that the whole is distinct from the parts. Ego may not be in charge of dissolving itself on its own.

The Buddha used the chariot metaphor to address how the ordinary mind sees nature: as composed of various parts, when in reality, there are no such parts. We are grown, not made.

I use the metaphor of a river simply to show that there is no such thing as a river perse. It is just a name we have come to think of as a real thing, like a whirlpool or the self. The self is a self-created idea. If you think it exists, where is it's location?

 

[godnotgod]

I think he means an absurdity, as it is often the case.

You cannot possibly return to what you always are. If you return, it means you were not in the state you return into. After all, if I am home today, it does not make any sense to say that I return back home today, no matter what I do.

He should have said: you return to what you ALMOST always are/were.

Ciao

- viole

Actually, no one returns to anywhere, because we never left in the first place. That we left is an illusion. What Chopra meant to say is that we awaken to where we always are, from the delusion that we are separated. Your example involves time, but to awaken is to transcend time and find oneself in the timeless present moment.

What atanu said is correct: what one is intrinsically never changes; only our illusory self comes and goes, like a cloud. We awaken to our intrinsic, changeless natrure.

 

[atanu]

The Buddha used the chariot metaphor to address how the ordinary mind sees nature: as composed of various parts, when in reality, there are no such parts. We are grown, not made.

I use the metaphor of a river simply to show that there is no such thing as a river perse. It is just a name we have come to think of as a real thing, like a whirlpool or the self. The self is a self-created idea. If you think it exists, where is it's location?

I do not think that Buddha used these two metaphors. However, I may be wrong.

But these two metaphors are incomplete. One forgets to speak of a lasting River and another of a whole chariot, distinct from parts.

 

[Thief]

That is perfectly correct. There is neither anyone responding to your posts, nor anyone laughing like: heheheheheheheheheh. There is only response and laughing, with no responder or laugher to be found.

'I' can see the consequence for your post.

'You' stand from your dust, caught by surprise that 'you' did....
and then you hear laughter.

And you never find where it comes from.

 

[atanu]

'I' can see the consequence for your post.

'You' stand from your dust, caught by surprise that 'you' did....
and then you hear laughter.

And you never find where it comes from.

Is there really any dust apart from 'you'?

 

[Thief]

Is there really any dust apart from 'you'?

Any portion that fails to respond to my will.

I've had my limbs cold and unresponsive.
Lucky for me, that condition was temporary.

I've been blind seven days.
I recovered.
Lucky me.

Death will do so again....permanently.

Lucky me if I don't follow my dust into the box and then into the ground.

Eternal darkness is physically real.

 

[viole]

Actually, no one returns to anywhere, because we never left in the first place. That we left is an illusion. What Chopra meant to say is that we awaken to where we always are, from the delusion that we are separated. Your example involves time, but to awaken is to transcend time and find oneself in the timeless present moment.

What atanu said is correct: what one is intrinsically never changes; only our illusory self comes and goes, like a cloud. We awaken to our intrinsic, changeless natrure.

So, two billions yeras ago, I was. Actuall, I am.

Why don't I remember a thing?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Actually, no one returns to anywhere, because we never left in the first place. That we left is an illusion. What Chopra meant to say is that we awaken to where we always are, from the delusion that we are separated. Your example involves time, but to awaken is to transcend time and find oneself in the timeless present moment.

What atanu said is correct: what one is intrinsically never changes; only our illusory self comes and goes, like a cloud. We awaken to our intrinsic, changeless natrure.

So, two billions years ago, I was. Actuall, I am.

Why don't I remember a thing?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nakosis]

So, two billions years ago, I was. Actuall, I am.

Why don't I remember a thing?

Ciao

- viole

It's a plot. You were made to forget. How could you live this life as if it were important if it was only one of a million lives?

There is no illusion if you know the truth.

 

[godnotgod]

So, two billions yeras ago, I was. Actuall, I am.

Why don't I remember a thing?

Ciao

- viole

When you are asleep, dreaming, do you remember previous dreams? Only when you awaken do you remember all your dreams.

Two billion years ago, who was it that existed? Who is it that now exists?

 

[atanu]

And what is Two Billion years ago?

 

[Thief]

When you are asleep, dreaming, do you remember previous dreams? Only when you awaken do you remember all your dreams.

Two billion years ago, who was it that existed? Who is it that now exists?

No actually .......you are most likely to recall the last item as you awoke.

We dream several times everynight.
Those dreams are lost.

The few dreams we do recall also fade.

I believe we take only our dreams with us when we die.
If our dreams fail in heaven.....how then do our dreams come true?

I believe the do come true.
I believe we share the dreamscape with others.

 

[godnotgod]

I believe we take only our dreams with us when we die.
If our dreams fail in heaven.....how then do our dreams come true?

I believe the do come true.
I believe we share the dreamscape with others.

You believe, but you don't know.

We share the dreamscape with others now, but one man's dream can be another's nightmare. Why do you wish to contaminate heaven with your dreams? You choose the dreamworld over Awakening into Reality?

 

[Thief]

You believe, but you don't know.

We share the dreamscape with others now, but one man's dream can be another's nightmare. Why do you wish to contaminate heaven with your dreams? You choose the dreamworld over Awakening into Reality?

Indeed!
Peace first.
I bet.....I really could....the angelic can see how you think and feel.
I bet...I really could....the angelic won't allow a harmful thought in heaven.

I believe heaven is the one place where your dreams could come true.
If your thought and feeling is similar to someone else.....enjoy!

I've had a dream of watching fireworks with my departed grandfather.
It was a blast!......literally!