shawn001
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Yes I can.
okay I'll bite. Although, already I know I should have rephrased the statement for clairities sake.
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Yes I can.
The complexity of DNA, the fined tuned parameters to make human life possible, the second law of thermodynamics, the origin of the universe, and the very high improbability of evolution, all of these things point to Intelligent Design.
There is a creator, and you are all standing on-top of it. It is The Universe, and The Universe calculated it's exact proportions of physical constants because it was the only possible way for anything to exist.
If you are the only thing in existence, you have two choices:
1) do nothing and nothing ever happens
2) create something so something happens.
So if you have to create to do something, and YOU are all that exists, what do you create this something out of? Yourself obviously, quite literally you use your essence to create stuff. Then you cease to be a consciousness, but BECOME the material reality.
I know that the tricks of the devils are convincing people not to belief in God but you made such a error.
You addressed the Universe as a being so material objects can now calculate?...
Your argument is that when nothing does nothing.. nothing happens i would agree and this is one of the scientific laws, so therefore the Universe and the Big-Bang were created because it could never come from nothing ''According to your own arguments''.
So you actually do agree that the BB was created with a cause and effect style therefore something had to start the event.. What did? God or nothing?
If you belief in ''Satan'' wasn't satan created himself?
I know that the tricks of the devils are convincing people not to belief in God but you made such a error.
You addressed the Universe as a being so material objects can now calculate?...
Your argument is that when nothing does nothing.. nothing happens i would agree and this is one of the scientific laws, so therefore the Universe and the Big-Bang were created because it could never come from nothing ''According to your own arguments''.
So you actually do agree that the BB was created with a cause and effect style therefore something had to start the event.. What did? God or nothing?
If you belief in ''Satan'' wasn't satan created himself?
I am primarily a Pantheist, look it up and then it will make sense.
Also Satan is not "the devil", that word "devil" comes from the Indian word "Devi", who is the Goddess and wife of God in Hinduism. It has no link what-so-ever with the original Hebrew concept of "Satan", which is just a title for an accuser or adversary, like a spymaster or prosecutor in a court of law. It has nothing to do with "the prince of lies" or evil.
I was saying that God is all that there is, and that reality is merely God in a different form than his original. My argument was that before material reality, God was just a thought, a conscious thought. He decided the parameters of our Universe, than sacrificed his consciousness to create our material reality.
And on the Universal scale, yes, the universe does "calculate" in the form of our physical laws (gravity, electroweak, strong nuclear, thermodynamics, ect ect). But the matter itself? No, the matter is part of God, as the entire Universe is god, but the actual "thinking", or rather, the physical laws of the Universe, are programmed into the Universe and exist as abstract cause-and-effect mechanisms for deciding how the matter and energy behave. The matter and energy within itself doesn't "think", but rather the laws "think" and decide the outcome of any one situation based on the mathematical constructs.
In other words The Universe was created by God, but God had to become The Universe since he was all that existed. Laws of mathematics are universal and so he couldn't overcome conservation laws and create reality out of just nothing.. No amount of messing around will make 1 + 1 = 3.
Jason, while I respect all religions and Pantheism, you still have a lot of "god did it" and this falls into the same problems that all religions fall into, in explaining the beginings with no proof. Nor do we know this is the only universe for sure.
The "nothing" in QM isn't absolutelty nothings it is quantum fluctuations that appear and disappear out of seemingly "nowhere." Called virtual particles.
There is also equal amounts of negative and positive energy and mathematics cancel each other out to exactly 0. So you get a 0 energy universe.
QM, is one of if not the most successful theories in all of science.
If you haven't seen these and knowing how you like science and the cosmos, well worth watching.
The Fabric of the Cosmos: What Is Space?
Surprising clues indicate that space is very much something and not nothing.
Acclaimed physicist Brian Greene reveals a mind-boggling reality beneath the surface of our everyday world
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The Fabric of the Cosmos: What Is Space? - YouTube
THE FABRIC OF THE COSMOS: THE ILLUSION OF TIME
"Time. We waste it, save it, kill it, make it. The world runs on it. Yet ask physicists what time actually is, and the answer might shock you: They have no idea. Even more surprising, the deep sense we have of time passing from present to past may be nothing more than an illusion. How can our understanding of something so familiar be so wrong? In search of answers, Brian Greene takes us on the ultimate time-traveling adventure, hurtling 50 years into the future before stepping into a wormhole to travel back to the past. Along the way, he will reveal a new way of thinking about time in which moments past, present, and future—from the reign of T. rex to the birth of your great-great-grandchildren—exist all at once. This journey will bring us all the way back to the Big Bang, where physicists think the ultimate secrets of time may be hidden. You'll never look at your wristwatch the same way again"
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The Fabric of the Cosmos - The Illusion of Time [Full - Ep 2 of 4] - YouTube
The Fabric of the Cosmos: Quantum Leap
Join Brian Greene on a wild ride into the weird realm of quantum physics, which governs the universe on the tiniest of scales. Greene brings quantum mechanics to life in a nightclub like no other, where objects pop in and out of existence, and things over here can affect others over there, instantaneously and without anything crossing the space between them. A century ago, during the initial shots in the quantum revolution, the best minds of a generation—including Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr—squared off in a battle for the soul of physics. How could the rules of the quantum world, which work so well to describe the behavior of individual atoms and their components, conflict so dramatically with the everyday rules that govern people, planets, and galaxies?
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The Fabric of the Cosmos: Quantum Leap - YouTube
Fabric of the Cosmos: Universe or Multiverse?
Hard as it is to swallow, cutting-edge theories are suggesting that our universe may not be the only universe. Instead, it may be just one of an infinite number of universes that make up the "multiverse." In this show, Brian Greene takes us on a tour of this brave new theory at the frontier of physics, showing what some of these alternate realities might be like. Some universes may be almost indistinguishable from our own; others may contain variations of all of us, where we exist but with different families, careers, and life stories. In still others, reality may be so radically different from ours as to be unrecognizable. Brian Greene reveals why this radical new picture of the cosmos is getting serious attention from scientists. It won't be easy to prove, but if it's right, our understanding of space, time, and our place in the universe will never be the same.
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Fabric of the Cosmos: Universe or Multiverse? - YouTube
I think I actually have the book "Fabric of the Cosmos", if this is the same series I have watched some of by Brian Greene that is based on his work. He has a book by the same name. But I havnt read it all since it seemed mostly like "The Elegant Universe 2.0"
EDIT: THIS IS BRIAN GREENE'S SHOW, SEEN IT AND OWN THE BOOK BY THE SAME NAME. havn't read it as I said before, as it seemed to be just his 1998 book, but updated. Thought after I realized that i would just wait for "3.0" to come out as it seemed to be virutally identical for some reason, and was oldish for then (2004).
Also Brian Greene is a string theorist, not a quantum mechanicalist, just of note. Though I agree that QM is fascinating.
Also on a personal level, I am really agnostic about polytheism, much less so about pantheism. if there is a "multiverse", it's still god, just god is apparently much bigger than we first thought =D
these just came out in 2011.
he did do a series on string theory I believe called the Elegant Universe, but that is not what these are really about.
QM can be tested, string theory not so much. he is a well known theoretical physicist.
Just fyi
This was Roger Penrose.
Researchers Find Evidence of Other Universes Lurking in the Cosmic Background
Our poor universe shows bruises from collisions with other universes
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-12/
researchers-find-evidence-other-universes-cosmic-microwave-background
Controversial Study Suggests Our Universe is One of Many
Controversial Study Suggests Our Universe is One of Many | Space.com
Soon they will be getting new Data from the Planck satellite that will give them more precise measurements, so it may give them new clues or answers.
Jason, we use to get a terabyte of information a year from cosmology and astronomy. Now we get a terabyte a day. There are not enough people trained to go through that much information even.