Subduction Zone
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Yes, and those are not very reliable. One can see that they probably believed this. But being wrong does not make it a lie. What I do not like at all is how his apologist source appears to be willing to distort the quotes of those early church fathers as supporting them when it clearly does not. It does not hurt them, at least they have that going for them. But when one compares what they said to the verses their sources are supposedly quoting we can find that is not at all clear. They really should not even use terms such "quotes" since actual quoting was something that does not appear to occur in those days. There was no punctuation. There were no chapters and verses. Those are later additions. Chapters first appeared in the 400's and it was not until the 1500's that the first numbered verses were used. At best one could claim that it looked as if Clement I was inspired by Matthew. He definitely did not quote from him, though again in those days one would not be expected to.They based it on an oral tradition.