What if we accepted each others Religion?

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And which one of these List of messiah claimants - Wikipedia has come to correct the misconceptions of the Baha'i faith?

With this, I'm just trying to put you in our boots. What if a more current messenger claimant came to say he was the new revised version of Baha'u'llah? How would you receive him? (Not than that will happen, because Baha'u'llah historically is so insignificant compared to Christ or Muhammad.) Maybe some day we'll have such a one come and proselytize to you. We have had a few drop by, claiming to be God or the return of Christ, and I didn't see anyone, including Baha'is, going all a agog about it. We also have a few people here who are followers of messiah claimants, but they don't proselytize like a couple of the Baha'i folks here do, so they're far less to have their claims countered.

The Maitreya does accept Baha'allah.

 

[Vinayaka]

The Maitreya does accept Baha'allah.

What do you mean by Maitreya?

 

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What do you mean by Maitreya?

It's a guy who claims he is a Prophet after Baha'allah and titled himself that.

 

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Here is the website: Home - Mission of Maitreya

 

[Vinayaka]

Here is the website: Home - Mission of Maitreya

Thank you. Learn something new every day. So I wonder why the Baha'is aren't flocking to New Mexico. But this is a perfect illustration of what I was saying in post 1259.

 

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Thank you. Learn something new every day. So I wonder why the Baha'is aren't flocking to New Mexico. But this is a perfect illustration of what I was saying in post 1259.

This does not prove Bahais are wrong. But it shows every claim of x Prophet it does not matter if newer or older, we should investigate and see if they are true Prophet.

I believe @TransmutingSoul saw that the Maitreya was once an Atheist and could not accept. But going by what @InvestigateTruth of God tesing his creation and change his ways from the past, why not? Why not try us by a former atheist as a Prophet!

When pressed about Ahlulbayt and Twelve Imams and that be a constant Sunna of God and no blood relation between Bab and Baha'allah, it was stated God changed it up for whatever reasons. Why can't God change it up and have a Prophet be a former atheist?

 

[Vinayaka]

This does not prove Bahais are wrong. But it shows every claim of x Prophet it does not matter if newer or older, we should investigate and see if they are true Prophet.

I believe @TransmutingSoul saw that the Maitreya was once an Atheist and could not accept. But going by what @InvestigateTruth of God tesing his creation and change his ways from the past, why not? Why not try us by a former atheist as a Prophet!

When pressed about Ahlulbayt and Twelve Imams and that be a constant Sunna of God and no blood relation between Bab and Baha'allah, it was stated God changed it up for whatever reasons. Why can't God change it up and have a Prophet be a former atheist?

Interesting website, he is Iranian, and there is already some Baha'i interest and converts. english-letters-bahais-another-bahai - Mission of Maitreya

 

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Interesting website, he is Iranian, and there is already some Baha'i interest and converts. english-letters-bahais-another-bahai - Mission of Maitreya

Yeah, let's all make him king and see if he makes the world a better place or sets in on fire.

 

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The Mahdi will perform miracles. This is the purpose of telling us about miracles to prepare the world to accept them when they come.

People will say aliens, sorcery, technology you name it, they will say it, but we are on track with few accepting miracles.

The TV shows and movies and games and fiction in general all have it so people are incepted to reject miracles.

The destruction warned about with Mohammad was avoided but if Yathrib messianic Jews didn’t do what they did and invite Mohammad and accept him and support him, Mecca would have been destroyed per Quran.

But it can’t be that all the threats and repeated warnings about destruction are all recorded for an event that never happened and so Quran would be stuck in the past. The verses are all warning and contextualize that all cities will be destroyed before the day of judgment or punished severely, and God never destroys a people as so without sending a Messenger.

You ignore that context because it didn’t happen before day of judgement per your interpretation and so you ignore the context of the destruction verses and make it to be spiritual destruction.

It’s as if there is no set of words possible to convey the proper way Quran talks about the Mahdi to you because you are set to interpret and twist left right and center where it doesn’t suit you.

I suggest you look and see why Muhammad was rejected.
There are 4 main reasons why Jews and Christians rejected Muhammad:

1. They believed their Religion is the last one, and their Holy Book is the Final (same as Muslims)

2. They askes Muhammad to do Miracles, such as Resurrecting their forefathers, or showing Angels, and Muhammad rejected their request. They asked these things because they believed the older Prophets did Miracles. (Same as what Muslims believe).

3. They rejected Muhammad, because Muhammad is not explicitly mentioned in the Gospels and Torah. For example in the Bible, it says "Spirit of Truth will come", who is the future Messenger, but they do not accept this interpretation, saying Spirit of Truth is Holy ghost, not Muhammad (Same excuses regarding Mahdi for the Muslims).

4. They rejected Muhammad, because it is against their Self and desire to abandon Religion of their Forefathers. Same as how Muslims feel about Baha'i Faith.

Indeed, if you look, you will see, these 4 main reasons, are the reasons the Jews rejected Jesus.

1. Jews believe their Holy Book is the Final, whereas Jesus changed some of the Laws and brought a new Revelation.

2. Jewish leaders asked Jesus to perform Miracles, and Jesus rejected their request.

3. They Rejected Jesus, because to them, Jesus did not match the signs of Messiah, and did not fulfill their expected prophecies. (Same as what Muslims expected from the Mahdi)

4. They rejected Jesus, because, they wanted to keep their traditional Religion, the Religion of their forefathers.

 

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I suggest you look and see why Muhammad was rejected.
There are 4 main reasons why Jews and Christians rejected Muhammad:

1. They believed their Religion is the last one, and their Holy Book is the Final (same as Muslims)

2. They askes Muhammad to do Miracles, such as Resurrecting their forefathers, or showing Angels, and Muhammad rejected their request. They asked these things because they believed the older Prophets did Miracles. (Same as what Muslims believe).

3. They rejected Muhammad, because Muhammad is not explicitly mentioned in the Gospels and Torah. For example in the Bible, it says "Spirit of Truth will come", who is the future Messenger, but they do not accept this interpretation, saying Spirit of Truth is Holy ghost, not Muhammad (Same excuses regarding Mahdi for the Muslims).

4. They rejected Muhammad, because it is against their Self and desire to abandon Religion of their Forefathers. Same as how Muslims feel about Baha'i Faith.

Indeed, if you look, you will see, these 4 main reasons, are the reasons the Jews rejected Jesus.

1. Jews believe their Holy Book is the Final, whereas Jesus changed some of the Laws and brought a new Revelation.

2. Jewish leaders asked Jesus to perform Miracles, and Jesus rejected their request.

3. They Rejected Jesus, because to them, Jesus did not match the signs of Messiah, and did not fulfill their expected prophecies. (Same as what Muslims expected from the Mahdi)

4. They rejected Jesus, because, they wanted to keep their traditional Religion, the Religion of their forefathers.

You are being quite circular. If I don't accept Prophets (a) don't do miracles, then it doesn't matter your analogy won't make sense. And per Quran, Jews and Christians (many of them) were waiting for Mohammad (s) and despite what people keep saying, most Jews accepted Islam.

Yemen which was Jewish - accepted as soon as Imam Ali (a) came to them and explained it.

So most Jews accepted Islam. Christians a lot of them did, a lot of them did not.

 

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You are being quite circular.

how am I being circular?

If I don't accept Prophets (a) don't do miracles, then it doesn't matter your analogy won't make sense.

what analogy does not make sense.
everything I said, is clearly in the Quran.

And per Quran, Jews and Christians (many of them) were waiting for Mohammad (s)

the Jews has been waiting and still are waiting for the Messiah. Muhammad was a Messiah. All Messengers are Messiah.

and despite what people keep saying, most Jews accepted Islam.

Can you Prove this.

Yemen which was Jewish - accepted as soon as Imam Ali (a) came to them and explained it.

So most Jews accepted Islam.

Can you prove this.

Christians a lot of them did, a lot of them did not.

Dude, look at the world population now. The Christians population.
Certainly there were low percentage of Jews and Christians who believed in Muhammad.

 

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Can you Prove this.


Can you prove this.

Yes, I can. But you are not worth the effort to prove all these things and look up the historical references as well hadiths. You make things up as you go and are very stubborn to proofs.

 

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Certainly there were low percentage of Jews and Christians who believed in Muhammad.

What about African Christians, a lot of Christians including Egypt came to Islam. I don't know where you get your facts, probably like everything else you just make it up.

 

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the Jews has been waiting and still are waiting for the Messiah. Muhammad was a Messiah. All Messengers are Messiah.

The messiah per Jews will rule the world. Muslims agree with the definition of Jews, but say Jesus (a) will return and rule with the Mahdi (a) and say he didn't die.

You are using your definitions and imposing them on the discussion. You aren't proving them. They should be conclusions you are proving, but you are using them to assert the same conclusion. So it's circular. Full circle.

 

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I believe @TransmutingSoul saw that the Maitreya was once an Atheist and could not accept.

That statement has nothing to do with me.

Regards Tony

 

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That statement has nothing to do with me.

Regards Tony

It was an old topic, but I will reference the thread later.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Thank you. Learn something new every day. So I wonder why the Baha'is aren't flocking to New Mexico. But this is a perfect illustration of what I was saying in post 1259.

That would because he is not a Messenger. Did you read how he became what he claimed to be? That is all I have to say on that, as all get to make their own choice.

He definitely liked the Baha'i teachings, he embraced some core principles.

Regards Tony

 

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It was an old topic, but I will reference the thread later.

If you are talking about the 1944 born imposter. Then, yes, he is not as claimed.

Regards Tony

 

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If you are talking about the 1944 born imposter. Then, yes, he is not as claimed.

Regards Tony

Alright... so no need to.

 

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That would because he is not a Messenger. Did you read how he became what he claimed to be? That is all I have to say on that, as all get to make their own choice.

He definitely liked the Baha'i teachings, he embraced some core principles.

Regards Tony

Yes it was very similar to all the other claimants I've read about. Basically self-declaration, just like Baha'u'llah and so many others. As a non-believer in prophets period, I see many similarities all over. Self-declared, nothing really substantial, symptoms of grandiose delusions. The two exceptions, in my mind, that are different, are indeed Muhammad, and Christ, just due to the large followings over time, that do have a huge impact on this planet. But who knows with regard to the beginnings.

I don't know if an others claim their 'lineage' (questionable word) back to Baha'ullah.

Others, like Jiddu Krishnamurthi, when proclaimed such by someone else, immediately distanced himself from that idea, much like the Dalai Lama may have. In Dharmic faiths, with a few exceptions, humility takes over.