Im no expert in the first law of thermodynamics, and I probably spoke out of turn when responding to @ChristineM, but wouldn’t a lid that was airtight make it a closed system?
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Im no expert in the first law of thermodynamics, and I probably spoke out of turn when responding to @ChristineM, but wouldn’t a lid that was airtight make it a closed system?
Thanx
Very big maybe
Very big universe
But... is the universe inflating into space or making its own space as it expands.
I would say not when the pressure inside the enclosed pan got to high
No, the lid just raises the temperature inside.
Heat still enters from underneath, & exits on top.
Plus evaporated liquid still exits.
And of course, snails & garlic sauce enter it.
"Closed" in the thermodynamic context means
that no energy or matter enters or exits a system.
That is a commonly accepted model.
But it's not "true".
Consider dark energy, which behaves as an input to an open system.
Methinks you should be talking to Neil Turok about this insight into the unknown
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
It is puzzling, for certain.
And were it not for the fact that in these modern times of faceless interaction, it is even more important than otherwise, that we hold each other accountable for how we choose to communicate, I would have tried to leave this here.
Unfortunately, doing so now - without letting you know that, in order to actually “be good” with this scenario, I would in fact like you to respond to my question - would not be responsible of me, as doing so would allow you to believe that it’s okay to verbally attack someone online and not explain or apologise for it.
You may of course choose not to reply to my question, not explain your motives for attacking me and not apologise for doing so; yes. But you will not be led to believe that I am in anyway okay with that when in truth - as intended, perhaps - you greatly upset me.
Hermit
Snails and garlic sauce, the key to the laws of thermodynamics
Religion alters politics, which alters the world around us, and alters our destination (heaven or hell).
There are many ways of being wrong. It is possible that atheists could be wrong in not believing in any God (for lack of proof). But, it is also possible that among the various Christian bibles, and among the various religions of the world, one might worship the wrong jealous God (and his wrath could be fierce).
Believing in the wrong God could be worse than believing in no God.
It is also possible to be Christian, and go to church, but have the wrong preacher. For example, one might choose a Satanic preacher. Would that Satanic preacher tell you to worship Satan? Of course not. Satan doesn't do business that way.
How does Satan do business? Satan rules by lies, deceptions, and pretending to be of God. Satan is about greed and war and murder.
For example, God says "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not kill." It seems logical (though it is not logical) to follow the teachings of pastors because they have had a lot of education in religion, and it can be argued that they know more about God than anyone else. But, consider Reverend John Hagee, for example, who told us to pray to Jesus so we could win the war in Iraq (obviously, despite his advanced education in theology, Reverend Hagee doesn't understand what God meant by "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not kill."
So, if you are a member of Hagee's ministries, you are following Satan (war, killing, murder).
I turned on the TV and watched a televangelist telling his parishioners to give him all their money and their money will come back from God 100 fold. Obviously he is focused on mammon, and God has warned us about that.
We've already seen the greed and lies of Reverend Jim and Tammy Fay Bakker. They were asking for donations for staving Africans, but instead embezzled the money for their lawyer who bought a mansion and they lived in that mansion. They even had an air conditioned dog house (indulging in virtually every pleasure of mammon while cheating the donors and donees).
Satan rules by fear and lies. Remember the weekly orange alerts during the W. Bush administration? Those were designed to instill fear so that Satan could continue killing. The only person who was supposed to issue alerts was Tom Ridge, head of Homeland Security. In an interview on the Paula Zahn show, Ridge said that he didn't issue orange alerts, but they were issued by his superiors (only ones they could be were Dick Cheney and President W. Bush).
Satan likes to pretend that he is doing God's work (otherwise good folks wouldn't be duped into helping Satan destroy the world and convert people to lost souls bound for the fiery furnaces of hell. President W. Bush pretended to be helping God...."I'm fightin' the Axis of Evil." But, remember that W. Bush was violating God's laws, killing, while God said "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not kill."
W. Bush set up torture camps in camp X-ray and camp Delta in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The big sign outside of the US torture base in Cuba said that America was fighting for freedom and democracy. Is "freedom" another word for "torture?" W. Bush hid the torture from the American people (not telling the whole truth is one way of lying). If W. Bush was innocent of torture (violation of the Geneva Convention), why did W. Bush try to hide that? Attorney John Woo, professor of law at Chapman University, redefined the word "torture" in such a way that it is absolutely impossible to torture anyone. Even if you draw and quarter them while they are still alive, that doesn't constitute torture. Redefining words is another way of lying. If we redefine the word "black" to mean "white" we can say that "black" doesn't exist anymore. Satan rules by lies....W. Bush, and his minions, lied so that they could get their way and torture and kill more (defying God in the process).
So, you see that the Religious Right, which voted in W. Bush in the first place, was wrong because they had placed their faith in the wrong person.
It isn't enough to merely be a theist, you have to be right in your actions.
When it was known that the president was killing, Christians had a God given mandate to speak up and stop it. When it was known that the president made a torture camp, Christians had a mandate from God to stop him (especially considering that their actions put W. Bush in power in the first place).
The bible says that two demons (father and son, named the dragon and the beast) attacked Iraq. The bible says that God is venting his wrath at the world for attacking Babylon. Example: Revelation 15 (seven plagues, including COVID). The bible says that the nation that is occupying and corrupting Babylon is called the Whore of Babylon.
The bible says that anyone altering the words or meaning of Revelation will not reincarnate, but they will burn in the fiery bottomless pit of hell for all eternity.
Only the dragon and beast escaped that bottomless pit of hell, and likely with Satan's help. The dragon was originally in heaven, with Satan (also in heaven) and Satan was also known as the dragon. But the dragon in revelation "spake like Satan" and Satan cast that dragon into the bottomless pit of hell. So, it was the dragon that was in hell all this time (not Satan). Satan, in the mean time, was cast to earth after Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden, and Satan was given dominion over earth (as punishment for Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit of knowledge.
There are many ways of being wrong. It is possible that atheists could be wrong in not believing in any God (for lack of proof). But, it is also possible that among the various Christian bibles, and among the various religions of the world, one might worship the wrong jealous God (and his wrath could be fierce).
Believing in the wrong God could be worse than believing in no God.
It is also possible to be Christian, and go to church, but have the wrong preacher. For example, one might choose a Satanic preacher. Would that Satanic preacher tell you to worship Satan? Of course not. Satan doesn't do business that way.
How does Satan do business? Satan rules by lies, deceptions, and pretending to be of God. Satan is about greed and war and murder.
For example, God says "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not kill." It seems logical (though it is not logical) to follow the teachings of pastors because they have had a lot of education in religion, and it can be argued that they know more about God than anyone else. But, consider Reverend John Hagee, for example, who told us to pray to Jesus so we could win the war in Iraq (obviously, despite his advanced education in theology, Reverend Hagee doesn't understand what God meant by "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not kill."
So, if you are a member of Hagee's ministries, you are following Satan (war, killing, murder).
I turned on the TV and watched a televangelist telling his parishioners to give him all their money and their money will come back from God 100 fold. Obviously he is focused on mammon, and God has warned us about that.
We've already seen the greed and lies of Reverend Jim and Tammy Fay Bakker. They were asking for donations for staving Africans, but instead embezzled the money for their lawyer who bought a mansion and they lived in that mansion. They even had an air conditioned dog house (indulging in virtually every pleasure of mammon while cheating the donors and donees).
Satan rules by fear and lies. Remember the weekly orange alerts during the W. Bush administration? Those were designed to instill fear so that Satan could continue killing. The only person who was supposed to issue alerts was Tom Ridge, head of Homeland Security. In an interview on the Paula Zahn show, Ridge said that he didn't issue orange alerts, but they were issued by his superiors (only ones they could be were Dick Cheney and President W. Bush).
Satan likes to pretend that he is doing God's work (otherwise good folks wouldn't be duped into helping Satan destroy the world and convert people to lost souls bound for the fiery furnaces of hell. President W. Bush pretended to be helping God...."I'm fightin' the Axis of Evil." But, remember that W. Bush was violating God's laws, killing, while God said "turn the other cheek" and "thou shalt not kill."
W. Bush set up torture camps in camp X-ray and camp Delta in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The big sign outside of the US torture base in Cuba said that America was fighting for freedom and democracy. Is "freedom" another word for "torture?" W. Bush hid the torture from the American people (not telling the whole truth is one way of lying). If W. Bush was innocent of torture (violation of the Geneva Convention), why did W. Bush try to hide that? Attorney John Woo, professor of law at Chapman University, redefined the word "torture" in such a way that it is absolutely impossible to torture anyone. Even if you draw and quarter them while they are still alive, that doesn't constitute torture. Redefining words is another way of lying. If we redefine the word "black" to mean "white" we can say that "black" doesn't exist anymore. Satan rules by lies....W. Bush, and his minions, lied so that they could get their way and torture and kill more (defying God in the process).
So, you see that the Religious Right, which voted in W. Bush in the first place, was wrong because they had placed their faith in the wrong person.
It isn't enough to merely be a theist, you have to be right in your actions.
When it was known that the president was killing, Christians had a God given mandate to speak up and stop it. When it was known that the president made a torture camp, Christians had a mandate from God to stop him (especially considering that their actions put W. Bush in power in the first place).
The bible says that two demons (father and son, named the dragon and the beast) attacked Iraq. The bible says that God is venting his wrath at the world for attacking Babylon. Example: Revelation 15 (seven plagues, including COVID). The bible says that the nation that is occupying and corrupting Babylon is called the Whore of Babylon.
The bible says that anyone altering the words or meaning of Revelation will not reincarnate, but they will burn in the fiery bottomless pit of hell for all eternity.
Only the dragon and beast escaped that bottomless pit of hell, and likely with Satan's help. The dragon was originally in heaven, with Satan (also in heaven) and Satan was also known as the dragon. But the dragon in revelation "spake like Satan" and Satan cast that dragon into the bottomless pit of hell. So, it was the dragon that was in hell all this time (not Satan). Satan, in the mean time, was cast to earth after Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden, and Satan was given dominion over earth (as punishment for Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit of knowledge.
Audie
Veteran Member
I am sorry to hear you are upset .
No reason for it, as by your own
statement you did not understand what I
what i said.
If i were inclined to get upset
I might better be than you, you having baselessly
asserted I have attacked you. Or suggesting
I intended to upset you.
You"ve changed you mind on "feel free" re responding,
which is ok, and I'd not have you quietly upset when
few minutes on my part might set your mind at ease.
You said you laughed at my remark. I commented on that,
IF you meant to laugh at me. If you consider that an attack,
thats your deal. It is not an attack.
I also said that IF NOT, to clarify. You did so, so I saw
nothing further to say.
these eye worms can at least be removed by medical health personnel.
And why are those kids starving? My answer: man does something wrong, not God. Wars, claimate change (man-made climate change) or human rights abuses that further weaken African societies. If a kid dies after their mother has been killed or severely injured by other humans, this wouldn't have happened if their mother would have been in best shape, I think.
but the countryside in Bavaria wasn't made by man. Injustice is. So why blaming God for the bad things in general?
If people die of Corona aged 40, they've had 40 brilliant years perhaps. In sum, it's still amazing, I think.
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if you broke a glass while you're invited at a superscientist's birthday party, would you say sorry?
Dawkins's answer would have answered the question if she had asked: "can other people, including theists, be wrong?" Then Dawkins would have provided the brilliant answer.
However, the question was, under the premise that there is a Creator-God.... what would you do if you are wrong? Regardless of how many other people also could be wrong in 1000 other aspects of life. The simple question was, what if you, Richard, are wrong. He simply replied by distracting from this very personal point. This is at least how it seems to me.
edited to add the blue part
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Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
Many thanks Audie
It is quite possible that it upset me because I did not fully understand it. Nonetheless, I appreciate you having taken the time now.
Humbly
Hermit
Audie
Veteran Member
Today maybe. Fact is, they have been probably eating eyes bulbs for ever.
But why do Christians excuse God because humans might have found some ingenuity to correct what He did? Why didn’t He first? Sleeping?
Ciao
- viole
PureX
Veteran Member
"But if", ... anything, though. The land of "what if" is a very big place.
Illness can mean a sign that earthly life will end at a time you can not foresee.
Or it could be a break from your activities.
Or a challenge to see how society reacts if someone gets ill.
Or it can serve for you as an opportunity to see how many friends you have when you're in fact ill.
Or it can be a gift from God protecting you from making a big mistake at the meeting that was planned for next week.
Or.... or. There could be many reasons, and all of them could be valid. No ingenuity.
Yes, everyone can make up a theology that explains everything.
fact is, showing evidence of God because of the good things is useless, since the explanation of the bad things requires a priori theology. Ergo, pre-existing belief.
i could equally prove (an evil) God because of kids cancer and such, and then explain the cool stuff by some made up theology too.
ergo, such sort of arguments fail completely, to convince anyone with a minimum of logical sophistication. And immune to emotions.
ciao
- viole
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QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Yeah, kind of like this entire thread... which is all about What If Your Wrong.
so, there would be two propositions.
1) loving Creator-God
2) non-loving Creator-God.
Anyone may chose what he thinks is more compelling.
Both are Creator Gods, btw.
BTW, who is that lady in your photo?