What if...

[Runewolf1973]

Just a hypothetical question.....

What if you were to find out today that God and Heaven did not exist and there was no such thing as a "saviour"? How would this knowing affect your view of this planet of ours and what would be your plans for the future? Do you think this planet would be any better off if humans all over realized the only thing really worth "saving" and protecting for the benefit of humankind's future was THIS EARTH? What if there was no Heaven to look forward to? Just wondering what you would think. What, if anything, would change?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

It would depend on what that belief was replaced with. The only way to prove God isn't real is to prove something else is. It sounds as though you are suggesting Gaia as the winner in the God competition.

 

[Breathe]

People would shift to reincarnation.
Some, would shift to vaguer conceptions of Heaven, impossible to disprove.

 

[Runewolf1973]

If the only way to prove God isn't real is to prove that something else is, then how about this....the Earth is real is it not? Energy is real. Or were you looking for a "supernatural" explanation? What if all that existed was just natural existing energy in different forms? What if this Earth IS our Heaven, our Garden of Eden? Would humans pollute and destroy Heaven if it so existed? Just curious.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Runewolf,

What if...
Just a hypothetical question.....

What if you were to find out today that God and Heaven did not exist and there was no such thing as a "saviour"? How would this knowing affect your view of this planet of ours and what would be your plans for the future? Do you think this planet would be any better off if humans all over realized the only thing really worth "saving" and protecting for the benefit of humankind's future was THIS EARTH? What if there was no Heaven to look forward to? Just wondering what you would think. What, if anything, would change?
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It is a fact that neither is there any god/s or heaven/hell.
The are mind concepts created by the minds of humans.
Concepts too evolve and time it did and that realisation did come that god & heaven are conceptual and by now they are not needed anymore to understand reality.
About saving earth; again it needs to be understood that nothing is permanent not even the earth or the sun; they too are forms that will change except that ENERGY which you mention.
Love & rgds

 

[Troublemane]

I would say that theres only one way to prove it, and thats to die. Ill find out one way or another someday, anyway. Why hurry? :angel2:

 

[frg001]

I would say that theres only one way to prove it, and thats to die. Ill find out one way or another someday, anyway. Why hurry? :angel2:

Indeed. And as an atheist, I feel it a shame that nobody who currently believes in the whole afterlife palarver will actually realize they are wrong, whereas if there really is a tooth fairy and such, I'll get to find out! Bring on the burgers for that barbequeue!

 

[Runewolf1973]

Friend Runewolf,



It is a fact that neither is there any god/s or heaven/hell.
The are mind concepts created by the minds of humans.
Concepts too evolve and time it did and that realisation did come that god & heaven are conceptual and by now they are not needed anymore to understand reality.
About saving earth; again it needs to be understood that nothing is permanent not even the earth or the sun; they too are forms that will change except that ENERGY which you mention.
Love & rgds

Yes, understood that the Earth is not permanent, but should we not try to keep it in balance as long as we can? Or should we just forget about the earth and let humankind's selfish "mind-generated" desires destroy it? This earth is our home is it not? Would it not bother you in some way if someone pulled a big garbage truck up to your house and dropped a ton of waste and chemicals onto your porch? Would you want to remove it, or just let it sit there and see how long it takes to change form? I think as humans with "minds" we must learn to make wise choices rather than unwise ones that will eventually cost us and our future generations to come. The human mind has a purpose. It is there to help us to survive for as long as we can on this earth, which means we must make the correct choices and not blindly go about destroying ourselves and the environment that sustains us. But I could be completely wrong about this I suppose. After all, this is just another perception of mine.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Just a hypothetical question.....

What if you were to find out today that God and Heaven did not exist and there was no such thing as a "saviour"? How would this knowing affect your view of this planet of ours and what would be your plans for the future? Do you think this planet would be any better off if humans all over realized the only thing really worth "saving" and protecting for the benefit of humankind's future was THIS EARTH? What if there was no Heaven to look forward to? Just wondering what you would think. What, if anything, would change?

The problem is many things are "proven", yet there are some, somewhere that do not accept them! So regardless of how many people decided to realise that there was no God and no heaven, there would still be some who did and for me the world would be the same. If I was to find out for definite - then it would stop me worrying about the"maybe there is one" etc etc etc. However, the chances of it ever been earthly proven or disprove is slim............Unless we some how come up with an invention that lets us kill someone, send them with a video tape and then bring them back to life again and they can give us a report .........

 

[Truth_Faith13]

It would depend on what that belief was replaced with. The only way to prove God isn't real is to prove something else is. It sounds as though you are suggesting Gaia as the winner in the God competition.

Well surely if God and Heaven were disproven, people would just turn to science, something which already has proof and things which are proven??

 

[Runewolf1973]

The problem is many things are "proven", yet there are some, somewhere that do not accept them! So regardless of how many people decided to realise that there was no God and no heaven, there would still be some who did and for me the world would be the same. If I was to find out for definite - then it would stop me worrying about the"maybe there is one" etc etc etc. However, the chances of it ever been earthly proven or disprove is slim............Unless we some how come up with an invention that lets us kill someone, send them with a video tape and then bring them back to life again and they can give us a report .........

I was just questioning from a standpoint that what if every individual human on the face of the planet came to a realization that there was no God or Heaven? Proven or not, they all just came to that realization themselves. What would happen?

 

[Runewolf1973]

Well surely if God and Heaven were disproven, people would just turn to science, something which already has proof and things which are proven??

Would this affect how people treated the earth? Would humans be more inclined to preserve it, knowing that there was no "better" place to go to?

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Would this affect how people treated the earth?

I honestly dont know - there is the scientific evidence NOW that what WE do to the earth is harmful yet some people do not act upon it. Some people simply do not care. The same as you can put as many signs saying "These Kill" on cigarette packets, yet people still smoke. I don't think the world would be any different at all. You would still have people who are selfish and don't care about anything else but themselves. You dont need to get rid of religion to know that the earth needs saving, people just cant be bothered to save it!

 

[Truth_Faith13]

I was just questioning from a standpoint that what if every individual human on the face of the planet came to a realization that there was no God or Heaven? Proven or not, they all just came to that realization themselves. What would happen?

I don't think the world would change. If you walk down the street apart from muslims, you really cannot tell who is christian, buddhist, Hindu, LDS, Jew etc etc. The belief of heaven and hell and God is in the mind. Peoples actions would still be the same if they did not have that belief in God.

 

[Runewolf1973]

I honestly dont know - there is the scientific evidence NOW that what WE do to the earth is harmful yet some people do not act upon it. Some people simply do not care. The same as you can put as many signs saying "These Kill" on cigarette packets, yet people still smoke. I don't think the world would be any different at all. You would still have people who are selfish and don't care about anything else but themselves. You dont need to get rid of religion to know that the earth needs saving, people just cant be bothered to save it!

That could be quite possible. Pathetically speaking , humans will be humans either way. It sucks that so many people are so selfish, greedy and harmful. Thanks for your point of view. Much appreciated.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Runewolf,

Yes, understood that the Earth is not permanent, but should we not try to keep it in balance as long as we can? [It is already balanced]Or should we just forget about the earth and let humankind's selfish "mind-generated" desires destroy it? This earth is our home is it not?[When *YOU* or *I* itself is an illusion then how can that be said?] Would it not bother you in some way if someone pulled a big garbage truck up to your house and dropped a ton of waste and chemicals onto your porch? Would you want to remove it, or just let it sit there and see how long it takes to change form?[Just do what needs to be done but without any thinking] I think as humans with "minds" we must learn to make wise choices rather than unwise ones that will eventually cost us and our future generations to come. The human mind has a purpose. It is there to help us to survive for as long as we can on this earth, which means we must make the correct choices and not blindly go about destroying ourselves and the environment that sustains us. But I could be completely wrong about this I suppose. After all, this is just another perception of mine.[Once again one's job is to know who the *I* is as in that knowing everything else is taken care of]

 

[Runewolf1973]

Friend Runewolf,

Forgive me friend Zenzero, just my foolish ranting. Certainly what you said was true, it was a matter of my understanding of it that was flawed.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Runewolf,
Firstly by your very questioning is most important and then understanding of it.
since otherwise you have not committed any wrong to ask for any forgiveness nor is there anyone to forgive besides it is that mind which needs to be aware off.
To be aware would suggest meditation as that is the only WAY known to man.
Take care [of that mind]
Love & rgds

 

[the-flatlander]

knowing there was no compensation for human suffering would be very depressing.

To make matters worse, I’d be robbed of the satisfaction of entertaining myself by thinking-up cruel and unusual methods of getting back at God -dreamin’ on that is how I get to sleep at night.

Once I got over the disappointment of no eternal life waiting for me in a world without prisons, pain, sickness or death, I’d set about having just as much fun as I could possibly squeeze into my remaining here and now.

Paul wrote, “If Christ has not been raised your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. (1Cor 15:17)

“If the dead are not raised, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.”” (1Cor 15:32b)

Yes, I care about the earth/environment. I’d do what I could to leave things intact for the next generation. But the way I see it, the earth’s days are numbered. The sun’s burning out, nothing we can do about that.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Friend Runewolf,
Firstly by your very questioning is most important and then understanding of it.
since otherwise you have not committed any wrong to ask for any forgiveness nor is there anyone to forgive besides it is that mind which needs to be aware off.
To be aware would suggest meditation as that is the only WAY known to man.
Take care [of that mind]
Love & rgds

Came to my own understanding of what you meant by the earth "already is in balance". The way it stands, all this is just another swing of the pendulum. It swings back and then forth again, but regardless of which direction, it is always in balance. The earth right now could be said to be in a "backswing" with all the pollution and ecological turmoil. That like everything else will soon enough change and the earth yet again will be in it's "forward" swing. The earth will be renewed one way or another. Thank you for helping me to realize this.