What is a female??

[mikkel_the_dane]

I disagree. My biological standard is objective, your self identifying standard is basically meaningless to everyone except the person making the claim. Under my standard if I said I were a man, you would have an idea of whether my testosterone level were closer to 1000 or 20, whether I have a prostate or a uterus, ovaries vs testies, and a host of other things. Going by your standard, to say I am a man means nothing to you because if I self identify, you would have to know what is going on inside of my head in order for you to know what I mean by a man.

You choice to use that standard is still subjective.
As long as it in effect doesn't register with you that the rest of your post is about your subjective standards for what to you makes a male or female, it ends here.

 

[Kfox]

You choice to use that standard is still subjective.

That’s because a standard is necessary in order to answer the question. I chose an objective standard already in place, that has nothing to do with my subjective views, where you chose a subjective standard that has everything to do with subjective views and varies from person to person. You can’t compare the two.
Remember; the question is about the difference between a man vs woman, not how we derived at which standard we use to differentiate between the two

 

[We Never Know]

With all the transgender threads on the forum, can we clear up what a female is? What makes someone a female?

To me a female in general is a person that can bear offspring, has ovaries, has periods, experiences menopause, has a vagina, etc etc.

What is a female in your words or by a definition of your choice?

Question.....

If you were a transgender female still with male parts but were using the female bathroom,, would it offend you if males started using that bathroom too?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That’s because a standard is necessary in order to answer the question. I chose an objective standard already in place, that has nothing to do with my subjective views, where you chose a subjective standard that has everything to do with subjective views and varies from person to person. You can’t compare the two.
Remember; the question is about the difference between a man vs woman, not how we derived at which standard we use to differentiate between the two

How do you know that I can't compare the two? Well, you don't, because you are reading that I am doing it.

So let me show you how subjective this is:
You are asked how you identify males and females and you give your standard.
I am asked how I identify males and females and I give my standard.
That is how I compare what we are doing. How do you compare it?

 

[Kfox]

How do you know that I can't compare the two? Well, you don't, because you are reading that I am doing it.

I'm suggesting it is unreasonable to compare the two.

So let me show you how subjective this is:
You are asked how you identify males and females and you give your standard.
I am asked how I identify males and females and I give my standard.

But you refuse to give an objective standard!

That is how I compare what we are doing. How do you compare it?

If you were willing to give an objective standard you would have a point! But since you refuse to, I assume you don't have one.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm suggesting it is unreasonable to compare the two.

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Can you give an objective standard for what is reasonable?

 

[Bird123]

With all the transgender threads on the forum, can we clear up what a female is? What makes someone a female?

To me a female in general is a person that can bear offspring, has ovaries, has periods, experiences menopause, has a vagina, etc etc.

What is a female in your words or by a definition of your choice?

Biologically female individuals have two chromosomes (XX) while those who are biologically male have one X and one Y chromosomes.

God doesn't make mistakes. I think those who think they are different should explore what they are supposed to discover by living what they think they are not. On the other hand, one should be who they must and freely make their own choices. Lessons learned by oneself and those around are best learned that way. It is a big mistake to coerce, intimidate or control others into being who you want them to be rather than allow others to choose and walk the path they choose.

Gender is a parameter of this physical world. We are Spiritual beings in our true natures. Free from our physical bodies, gender means nothing. Does being male or female really matter? We are all basically the same anyway.

I think people place too much importance on so many physical things. If people do not like my hair, how I dress, and the choices I make, isn't that really their problem???? I really find no reason for anger or hate on any of it. Those that coerce, intimidate, control, manipulate ,anger, and hate value so many of the petty things mankind holds so dear. In time, they will learn that these things will never bring the best results or the heavenly state we all strive to have.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[The Hammer]

With all the transgender threads on the forum, can we clear up what a female is? What makes someone a female?

To me a female in general is a person that can bear offspring, has ovaries, has periods, experiences menopause, has a vagina, etc etc.

What is a female in your words or by a definition of your choice?

Sex vs Gender sounds like an important distinction here.

Gender

"Gender" published on by null.

www.oxfordbibliographies.com

 

[Kfox]

Can you give an objective standard for what is reasonable?

The biological standard I provided is objective, and I find that standard perfectly reasonable.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Female is not the same thing as woman. Woman is a gender description, and gender has to do with what's between your ears, not between your legs. Female is denoting a series of sex characteristics, though sex is bimodal and not everyone who is female, or a woman, has organs, hormones, tissues or even chromosomes in common. Both sex and gender are a bimodal spectrum that we culturally like to fit between feminine and masculine contrasts. But the truth is a woman who can't ovulate, can't have birth, won't go through menopause, etc, is still a woman (like me.)

 

[Kfox]

Female is not the same thing as woman. Woman is a gender description, and gender has to do with what's between your ears, not between your legs. Female is denoting a series of sex characteristics, though sex is bimodal and not everyone who is female, or a woman, has organs, hormones, tissues or even chromosomes in common. Both sex and gender are a bimodal spectrum that we culturally like to fit between feminine and masculine contrasts. But the truth is a woman who can't ovulate, can't have birth, won't go through menopause, etc, is still a woman (like me.)

So what is a woman?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

So what is a woman?

A gender identity commonly held by but not limited to adult people who were assigned female at birth.

And for funsies to expand: https://www.tiktok.com/video/7164478513561521451

 

[Yazata]

First of all, I don't think that being male or female has anything to do with "gender" (whatever that word means).

Being male or female is biological.

Providing a biological definition might take some doing. (That isn't unlike giving a biological definition of 'life'.) We all know it when we see it, even if it is hard to put into words and even if there are occasionally problem cases.

I guess that one definition of biological females (one that biologists themselves seem to favor) is that females are organisms that produce large egg cells, while males are organisms that produce smaller highly motile sperm cells.

One could probably define female and male in humans genetically (XX and XY sex chromosomes) and perhaps anatomically in terms of possession of characteristic genitalia and secondary sex characteristics. (These genetic and anatomical definitions won't work for plants or even for all animals.)

 

[Kfox]

A gender identity commonly held by but not limited to adult people who were assigned female at birth.

And for funsies to expand: https://www.tiktok.com/video/7164478513561521451

Can you be a little more specific? Can you list some characteristics a person will have that makes them a woman?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Can you be a little more specific? Can you list some characteristics a person will have that makes them a woman?

*Points to the video.*

 

[Kfox]

*Points to the video.*

The video does not answer the question; all they say is someone who knows they are a woman. How can you know you are a woman if you can't describe what a woman is?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The video does not answer the question; all they say is someone who knows they are a woman. How can you know you are a woman if you can't describe what a woman is?

It did answer the question, it's just not as simple as some would like it to be. Since while there are individual things that feel womanly to each woman, none of them are monolithically applied to each woman. So while feminine dress and appearance, feminine body shape or function of organs in a specific way may feel womanly to some, it doesn't to others. And those of us who are outside those averages are still women.

That's why gender is defined as social, cultural and psychological traits of being a man, woman or other gender. Because it's way more broad than single set of characteristics.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

I don't know what it means to "feel" like a woman or a man. I simply don't understand or can comprehend it. Doing things that only men do doesn't make me feel manly at all. And whenever I've tried to hear explanations of what this means, I've never been able to understand the argument. Personally, I believe the idea of "gender" is a myth, as well are gender roles, but biological sex is a very real thing and there's only two of them: men and women. People that are born with both sexual organs or with neither of them are still lumped into these categories. We don't need to make this overly confusing for people. There is nothing preventing a man with a penis to take on a feminine role or a woman with a vagina to take on a masculine role. Femininity and masculinity are made-up concepts anyways.

 

[Kfox]

It did answer the question, it's just not as simple as some would like it to be.

Just ask yourself, do you have a prostate or a Uterus. Do you have a natural testosterone level of 1,200 or 25. Do you have Testes or Ovaries. Does your brain have a higher proportion of white matter, or gray matter. Do you produce eggs or sperm. I could go on an on. Now the video points out not all women have Ovaries, or produce eggs; true! But those are abnormalities/deformities not the norm, and a doctor can examine such a person and tell you exactly what went wrong preventing this woman from having such things. To point to such abnormalities to claim it’s not typical for women have those things is as absurd as pointing to the rare case of people born with 6 fingers, 3 fingers, or anything other than 5 and claiming you can’t say humans normally have 5 fingers on each hand. Anyone who is born with a Uterus and fallopian tubes is not a male.

Since while there are individual things that feel womanly to each woman, none of them are monolithically applied to each woman.

Again; it doesn’t have to be applied to all women, there are many women with handicaps who may not have been born with such things. There are women born blind as well; does that mean vision is not a typical trait of women?

So while feminine dress and appearance, feminine body shape or function of organs in a specific way may feel womanly to some, it doesn't to others. And those of us who are outside those averages are still women.

That's why gender is defined as social, cultural and psychological traits of being a man, woman or other gender. Because it's way more broad than single set of characteristics.

So it’s based on fashion? What’s social, cultural, and psychological today may not be tomorrow. These things change all the time. Why even use gender if there is no objective standard that can be applied to it? Perhaps we should use biology to determine what is currently separated by gender.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Just ask yourself, do you have a prostate or a Uterus. Do you have a natural testosterone level of 1,200 or 25. Do you have Testes or Ovaries. Does your brain have a higher proportion of white matter, or gray matter. Do you produce eggs or sperm. I could go on an on. Now the video points out not all women have Ovaries, or produce eggs; true! But those are abnormalities/deformities not the norm, and a doctor can examine such a person and tell you exactly what went wrong preventing this woman from having such things. To point to such abnormalities to claim it’s not typical for women have those things is as absurd as pointing to the rare case of people born with 6 fingers, 3 fingers, or anything other than 5 and claiming you can’t say humans normally have 5 fingers on each hand. Anyone who is born with a Uterus and fallopian tubes is not a male.

I don't have a uterus, I have a higher than 25 (by a large margin) testosterone level, I have neither testes nor ovaries, the brain structure of men vs women is largely a myth derived from size difference (though there are inconsistent but existing other brain differences), I don't produce eggs. And there are more women with these abnormalities (they are not deformities, any more than blue eyes are) than there are people with red hair. It's not particularly rare.

So it’s based on fashion? What’s social, cultural, and psychological today may not be tomorrow. These things change all the time. Why even use gender if there is no objective standard that can be applied to it? Perhaps we should use biology to determine what is currently separated by gender.

Fashion is cultural and sometimes social but it isn't psychological. And yes, none of those are immutable and neither is by what criteria we look at someone and determine woman. The fact of the matter is you've said 'her' and 'she' to I'm guessing hundreds of trans women without knowing it because in day to day life nobody actually associates sex with gender in any meaningful way. So yes, in that case womanhood is part aesthetic. But it's also part sociological and psychological.

Also no biologist worth their salt conflates sex and gender. Because gender in a psychological sense is also biology. This idea that trans women are not biological women and trans men are not biological men is way oversimplifying of what biology is and includes.