What is a female??

[Kfox]

The problem is this:
If you claim that you have the authority to determine what tests are correct to use for rights, the same can be done to you.

The same IS done for me. Trans are given the same treatment as everyone else. With my suggestion of going with biology, they just won't be given special privileges.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The same IS done for me. Trans are given the same treatment as everyone else. With my suggestion of going with biology, they just won't be given special privileges.

Yeah, but that is the point. You are not a we for the social and neither am I. So your version is a subjective as mine.

 

[Audie]

No; intersex is M or F, it’s more of a deformity/abnormality often associated with M or F; this is the case with all mammals not just human. An intersex male might have everything a male has except chromosomes that are XX, or some type of mismatch of male and female genitals.

It's ok I did know that.

 

[England my lionheart]

And if a person has both m and f organs?

An hermathrodite,so what?

 

[Audie]

An hermathrodite,so what?

Ifn ya noticed to whom that was addressed to,
Ya wouldn't need ta ask

 

[England my lionheart]

Ifn ya noticed to whom that was addressed to,
Ya wouldn't need ta ask

Lol

 

[Audie]

Lol

How do you like my tough- talk?

It probably would be quite intimidating.

Esp if I were even a little over five ft tall.

 

[Valjean]

Yeah.... There are many threads here about transgender fish, plants, etc. I can see why its so confusing

No confusion. Human females weren't mentioned. Obviously the OP was asking about universal, definitive features of femaleness.

 

[We Never Know]

No confusion. Human females weren't mentioned. Obviously the OP was asking about universal, definitive features of femaleness.

Notice it says "someone"... not something.

With all the transgender threads on the forum, can we clear up what a female is? What makes someone a female?

To me a female in general is a person that can bear offspring, has ovaries, has periods, experiences menopause, has a vagina, etc etc.

What is a female in your words or by a definition of your choice

 

[Kfox]

Yeah, but that is the point. You are not a we for the social and neither am I. So your version is a subjective as mine.

No; biological differences between male vs female are not subjective, such differences are completely objective.

 

[Valjean]

Notice it says "someone"... not something.

My cat is not a 'someone'?

 

[Ponder This]

With all the transgender threads on the forum, can we clear up what a female is? What makes someone a female?

To me a female in general is a person that can bear offspring, has ovaries, has periods, experiences menopause, has a vagina, etc etc.

What is a female in your words or by a definition of your choice?

According to google Oxford Languages a female is...

of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes

But, you know, there are also many female genetic characteristics that are connoted with the use of this word to refer to people.

 

[We Never Know]

My cat is not a 'someone'?

Exactly!! Someone is referring to people

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No; biological differences between male vs female are not subjective, such differences are completely objective.

Yeah, but that you choose those as a standard is subjective.

That you say that we should use a biological standard, is for you choosing to say that not objective, rather it is subjective.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Exactly!! Someone is referring to people

Well, that we are people is a social construct.
You choose to say that a female is X and not Y. Your choice as a choice is social.

 

[Kfox]

Yeah, but that you choose those as a standard is subjective.

That you say that we should use a biological standard, is for you choosing to say that not objective, rather it is subjective.

Why are you focusing on my subjective choice to use an objective standard, rather than the standard itself? What does this subjective choice have to do with the difference between male and female, which is the topic at hand?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Why are you focusing on my subjective choice to use an objective standard, rather than the standard itself? What does this subjective choice have to do with the difference between male and female, which is the topic at hand?

Because there are other subjective choices in stating what makes a male and a female those 2 categories.

You are in effect claiming, that you have won, because you have subjectively chosen an objective fact. You haven't won, because others simply chose different for what makes a male and a female those 2 categories.

 

[Kfox]

Because there are other subjective choices in stating what makes a male and a female those 2 categories.

What are some other ways of differentiating between male vs female?

You are in effect claiming, that you have won, because you have subjectively chosen an objective fact. You haven't won, because others simply chose different for what makes a male and a female those 2 categories.

I am not playing a game of winning or losing, I'm interested in an exchange of ideas. Hopefully I can learn how you think and perhaps you can learn the same from me as well. So; what are some of these other ways of distinguishing male vs female?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What are some other ways of differentiating between male vs female?

I am not playing a game of winning or losing, I'm interested in an exchange of ideas. Hopefully I can learn how you think and perhaps you can learn the same from me as well. So; what are some of these other ways of distinguishing male vs female?

By how they self-identify.

You use a biological standard. I use a social one. Both are subjective choices.

 

[Kfox]

By how they self-identify.

You use a biological standard. I use a social one. Both are subjective choices.

I disagree. My biological standard is objective, your self identifying standard is basically meaningless to everyone except the person making the claim. Under my standard if I said I were a man, you would have an idea of whether my testosterone level were closer to 1000 or 20, whether I have a prostate or a uterus, ovaries vs testies, and a host of other things. Going by your standard, to say I am a man means nothing to you because if I self identify, you would have to know what is going on inside of my head in order for you to know what I mean by a man.