What is energy?

[`mud]

hey Uni,
I get the use of the qudrillions of photons
They don't really penetrate.
Maybe a little gets through to the penial, very little.
I have a time with double spacing, it wasn't poetry.
Was it ?
The passage of evolutionary info is kinda muddy.
And on and on...I'm sorry...the message is also muddy.
~
But......I've had three strokes...so forgive me.
But the photon angle (not the angel point) is close.
We swim in a Cosmotic sea of photons,
they are the gravity of the everything.
But...ignore my crap...go for it !
~
'mud

 

[Unification]

Unsubstantiated.

Id like to see credible sources for that. I feel your reaching here.

All knowledge comes form learning. Fact, not up for debate.

Using science, all of its own laws, deductive reasoning, and common sense... That would be very easy to do, yet very time consuming and thorough. Here is some though:

It's up to the individual observer to consciously interpret what is "credible." Einstein, Tesla, Bohr, tons of physicists, tons of quantum physicists. Tons of evidence. Science is currently and has worked on alterations of cells. Imagine the alteration of life and cells from all of the energies from the cosmos and celestial bodies. The effects are all there.

All knowledge does come from learning, true, but our brains are receivers, and there is an ultimate source where knowledge comes from.

Supernova 1987, for example, since its flooding and outpouring of the subatomic invisible energies touching base with earth and our brains, at angles of light, and affecting all of life... Many advances and knowledge have evolved at tremendous rates. Knowledge has increased greatly. These celestial bodies outpour DNA itself, and many sources are now in the process and have proved that life and DNA have come from the cosmos in forms of energy, and is still coming. Supernova 1987 is the third eye, the Pineal gland located between the west and east hemispheres of the brain. A light receptor and receiver in the brain also. It's invisible, undetectable, and very subtle, but it there and happening.

Quantum physicists discovered that physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature. Therefore, if we really want to observe ourselves and find out what we are, we are really beings of energy and vibration, radiating our own unique energy signature -this is fact and is what quantum physics has shown us time and time again. We are much more than what we perceive ourselves to be, and it’s time we begin to see ourselves in that light. If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure. Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

Some photos of supernova 1987:

 

[Unification]

Using science, all of its own laws, deductive reasoning, and common sense... That would be very easy to do, yet very time consuming and thorough. Here is some though:

It's up to the individual observer to consciously interpret what is "credible." Einstein, Tesla, Bohr, tons of physicists, tons of quantum physicists. Tons of evidence. Science is currently and has worked on alterations of cells. Imagine the alteration of life and cells from all of the energies from the cosmos and celestial bodies. The effects are all there.

All knowledge does come from learning, true, but our brains are receivers, and there is an ultimate source where knowledge comes from.

Supernova 1987, for example, since its flooding and outpouring of the subatomic invisible energies touching base with earth and our brains, at angles of light, and affecting all of life... Many advances and knowledge has involved at tremendous rates. Knowledge has increased greatly. These celestial bodies outpour DNA itself, and many sources are now in the process and have proved that life and DNA have come from the cosmos in forms of energy, and is still coming. Supernova 1987 is the third eye, the Pineal gland located between the west and east hemispheres of the brain. A light receptor and receiver in the brain also. It's invisible, undetectable, and very subtle, but it there and happening.

Quantum physicists discovered that physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature. Therefore, if we really want to observe ourselves and find out what we are, we are really beings of energy and vibration, radiating our own unique energy signature -this is fact and is what quantum physics has shown us time and time again. We are much more than what we perceive ourselves to be, and it’s time we begin to see ourselves in that light. If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure. Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

Some photos of supernova 1987:

Twenty-five years after supernova 1987A

The death of a star is also intriguing. Similar to the birth of a cell.

 

[atanu]

According to your shruti, the jiva becomes Brahman, yes?

It is not 'Tas tvam asi'.

 

[godnotgod]

What's actually happened is that yet again you have misrepresented a Buddhist text and when challenged you refuse to back up your claim.

My claim is that the merging of subject and object is discussed in the very text you originally referred me to. I refuse, not to back my claim, but to provide you with the source you should have read yourself. Either you don't understand what you're reading, or you didn't read it at all. Again, not going to do your homework for you.

 

[godnotgod]

OK, one more time. Sunyata is a teaching about the emptiness and conditionality of the 5 aggregates, and in Buddhism the 5 aggregates represent our human experience of the world.

If you had been paying attention to my posts, you would have noted that the limited view of Sunyata you portray is from Theravada Buddhism, but that Mahayana Buddhism went further to include ALL phenomena.

But even that is unnecessary to say. 'Our human experience of the world' is our experience of all phenomena.*

The unenlightened experience 'things' and events as real.

The enlightened experience them as being empty of inherent nature.
ie: 'form is emptiness; emptiness is form'

Quantum physics is now saying that all mass is virtual, ie; 'not actual', rendering the 'physical' world as also being virtual.

*I am using the word 'phenomena' to include both 'things' and events, since

1. 'things' are in reality, also events, as described in Quantum physics, and
2. the sensory experience of 'things' are events in themselves.

The entire universe is purely a manifestation of THAT which is Changeless, Causeless, Unborn and Deathless. IOW:

"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation."
Vivekenanda

 

[godnotgod]

It is not 'Tas tvam asi'.

Tat tvam asi. Thank you.

 

[godnotgod]

Read the first 4 lines of the Heart Sutra here and you will see that sunyata is applied to the 5 aggregates. In Buddhism the 5 aggregates represent the totality of human experience, that's the scope of both anatta and sunyata.
Buddhist Scriptures: Heart Sutra

(BTW, my browser is now blocking buddha.net as 'harmful', but I am using Linux.)

At any rate, re: 'merging of subject and object', I refer you to the following passage from the commentary:

" When all conditions are generated by one's own mind, that is the Original Mind. The ordinary person of mundane concerns looks at an object and considers that seeing, and from that moment on adheres to the view that a table is a table, a person is a person; taking the object of seeing he/she fails to realize its subject. The view prevents him/her from being able to abandon both subject and object (meaning duality); how can he/she ever understand original seeing? He/she twists the process of experience to fit his/her own concept of reality, intensifying the delusion. To perceive one's Original Nature as shapeless and formless is to perceive the true Void. People's potentials are dissimilar. Whoever can understand his/her Original Nature is clear-eyed; the one who takes the object of seeing and grasps the form is caught in turbidity.

Practitioners of the method promulgated by the Small Vehicle perceive mind as mind, form as form, and conceive them as distinct and different. That method focuses on observing the observer. The connection with one's own nature is apparently not taken into consideration....

The Avalokitesvara Bodhisattva attained enlightenment by perceiving his Original Nature; he abandoned the duality inherent in subject and object, whereupon he attained the Middle Way perfectly and completely."

Heart Sutra: Commentary on Text (3)

 

[godnotgod]

The entire universe is purely a manifestation of THAT which is Changeless, Causeless, Unborn and Deathless....

...while the manifestation itself appears to change and is subject to causation. In this view, there is 'birth' and 'death'. This appearance is known as maya, or illusion. It's impetus is known as lila, or play.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If you had been paying attention to my posts, you would have noted that the limited view of Sunyata you portray is from Theravada Buddhism, but that Mahayana Buddhism went further to include ALL phenomena.

In Buddhism the 5 aggregates represent the totality of human experience. The Buddha taught about the way we experience the human world, not about the sub-atomic world which is where quantum mechanics applies. The Heart Sutra teaching on sunyata is based on an analysis of the 5 aggregates, not on an analysis of atoms or quarks.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

*I am using the word 'phenomena' to include both 'things' and events, since
1. 'things' are in reality, also events, as described in Quantum physics, and
2. the sensory experience of 'things' are events in themselves.

There are no things, only processes, which you could describe as a series of events.

If you want to use "phenomena" then please use it correctly. You really need to distinguish between phenomena and noumena to make your point clearly.
Phenomenon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[godnotgod]

In Buddhism the 5 aggregates represent the totality of human experience. The Buddha taught about the way we experience the human world, not about the sub-atomic world which is where quantum mechanics applies. The Heart Sutra teaching on sunyata is based on an analysis of the 5 aggregates, not on an analysis of atoms or quarks.

The 'human world' doesn't exist without the sub-atomic world.

The point is that both are empty of inherent nature because they are the same reality, but at different levels of magnification.

If you are experiencing the 'human world' you are experiencing, not just the sub-atomic world, but the universe itself. This is in accordance with the Buddha's Law of Interdependent Origination: EVERYTHING is inter-connected with everything else.

Conversely, our ancestors, who knew nothing of the surrounding galaxies, were experiencing life on a planet fully embedded within them.

If you still think you can limit your experience to just 'the human world', (whatever THAT is), then show me where that leaves off and the sub-atomic and/or the galactic world begins.

 

[godnotgod]

There are no things, only processes, which you could describe as a series of events.

If you want to use "phenomena" then please use it correctly. You really need to distinguish between phenomena and noumena to make your point clearly.
Phenomenon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Phenomena can be both things and events.

The Buddha said that phenomena are devoid of inherent nature.

Not talking about noumena.

 

[godnotgod]

SUNYATA

"Whatever can be conceptualized is therefore relative, and whatever is relative is Sunya, empty. Since absolute inconceivable truth is also Sunya, Sunyata or the void is shared by both Samsara and Nirvana. Ultimately, Nirvana truly realized is Samsara properly understood."

Nagarjuna


sunyata: literally, emptiness

sunya: means zero, nothing

ta: in context, a suffix, means "-ness"


Sunyata ("Emptiness"). The Mahayana tradition has put a special emphasis on sunyata. This was necessary, in part, because of the tendency among certain early Buddhist schools to assert that there were aspects of reality that were not sunya, but which had inherent in them their "own-being". Several important Buddhist philosophers dismantled these theories by arguing for the pervasiveness of sunyata in every aspect of reality. (Nagarjuna was among the most important of these.) The specific arguments are too complicated for us to deal with here. But it is important to appreciate that understanding absolutely everything as sunya could imply that even those things most revered by Buddhists (such as the arhant ideal and the rules laid down in the vinaya) were empty. Mahayanists tended to argue that members of the Hinayana traditions were attached to their ideal forms as if they were not sunya.

To some extent, sunyata is an extension of the concepts made explicit in The Three Flaws. All things being impermanant, nothing can be seen as having an independent, lasting form of existence. And this is, in essence, what sunyata is all about. Strictly speaking, sunyata can be defined as "not svabhava". The concept svabhava means "own being", and means something like "substance" or "essence" in Western philosophy. Svabhava has to do with the notion that there is a form of being which "is" and "exists" in a form that is not dependent on context, is not subject to variation, and has a form of permanent existence. As such, the "soul" as understood in Abrahamic religions would have svabhava. God would certainly have svabhava. The Platonic forms (such as those described in the allegory of the Cave) would have svabhava.. Certain abhidharma teachings conclude that the building blocks of reality have such svabhava. But Mahayana philosophers like Nagarjuna concluded that sunyata is the fundamental characteristic of reality, and that svabhava could be found absolutely nowhere.

One of the images used to illustrate the nature of reality as understood in Mahayana is The Jewel Net of Indra. According to this image, all reality is to be understood on analogy with Indra's Net. This net consists entirely of jewels. Each jewel reflects all of the other jewels, and the existence of each jewel is wholly dependent on its reflection in all of the other jewels. As such, all parts of reality are interdependent with each other, but even the most basic parts of existence have no independent existence themselves. As such, to the degree that reality takes form and appears to us, it is because the whole arises in an interdependent matrix of parts to whole and of subject to object. But in the end, there is nothing (literally no-thing) there to grasp.

SUNYATA


​

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The Buddha said that phenomena are devoid of inherent nature.
Not talking about noumena.

In Buddhism phenomena are what we experience via the sense-gates. As I've explained this experience doesn't include the sub-atomic world.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The 'human world' doesn't exist without the sub-atomic world.

You're still missing the important point, which is that different principles apply at different scales. Sunyata is a principle which applies to the everyday human world, not the sub-atomic world. As a teaching on conditionality it's based on Newtonian mechanics.

So sunyata and Newtonian mechanics apply to the everyday human world, and quantum mechanics applies to the sub-atomic world.

 

[godnotgod]

In Buddhism phenomena are what we experience via the sense-gates. As I've explained this experience doesn't include the sub-atomic world.

Those phenomena are created by the sub-atomic world, so yes, it does.

There are not two worlds. There is only one.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

There are not two worlds. There is only one.

We only experience the everyday world. That is what Buddhism is concerned with.

 

[godnotgod]

You're still missing the important point, which is that different principles apply at different scales. Sunyata is a principle which applies to the everyday human world, not the sub-atomic world. As a teaching on conditionality it's based on Newtonian mechanics.

So sunyata and Newtonian mechanics apply to the everyday human world, and quantum mechanics applies to the sub-atomic world.

Microwaves from outer space are bombarding your body without your being aware of it. Are you or your body experiencing them?

Fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs fields are right now creating the mass of each of the atoms your body is composed of. They are an inseparable part of your 'human' experience.

In reality, there is no such 'you' that is 'having' an experience. There is no 'experiencer' of the experience. 'You' are a total experience of the Universe, just as a wave is a total experience of the ocean.

 

[godnotgod]

We only experience the everyday world. That is what Buddhism is concerned with.

There is a difference between how an ordinary person experiences the everyday world and how an awakened person experiences it. The Buddha was such an awakened being.