What is energy?

[godnotgod]

So have you given up on cosmic consciousness?

What!? That's like asking a fish if he's given up on the ocean!

And that reminds me of a little story:

Baby Fish: (to Mama Fish): "Momma, what is the sea? All my friends at school keep talking about the sea."

Momma Fish: "Well baby, the sea is all around you and inside of you."

Baby Fish: (Looking frantically all around): "Where? I don't see any sea!"

Momma Fish: "You were born into the sea and will die in the sea."

Baby Fish: (Puzzled): "*sigh*...I guess there is no such thing as the sea after all...oh well...."

forgotten source

 

[godnotgod]

I suggest you read the source material, the Heart Sutra in this case. Sunyata is framed in terms of the 5 aggregates, the phenomena we experience as humans in the everyday world. It's not an ontological teaching and it's not a analysis of the sub-atomic world, which is beyond our everyday human experience.

You're in the Quantum world all the time, but don't realize it, because you still cling to the old paradigm. In fact, you ARE the Quantum world. Remember, fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs fields are creating all virtual mass, including you and I. But never mind that: the real question is: 'who is it that is knowing that?'

 

[godnotgod]

Ahhhhh....the mystery of the void !
~
'mud

Tas tvam asi

 

[godnotgod]

and GNG says it comes from nothingness,
~
'mud

Well, where else can it have come from?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You're in the Quantum world all the time, but don't realize it, because you still cling to the old paradigm. In fact, you ARE the Quantum world. Remember, fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs fields are creating all virtual mass, including you and I. But never mind that: the real question is: 'who is it that is knowing that?'

No, we're both experiencing the everyday world of Newtonian mechanics.

I'm not sure how you then leap to the question "Who is it that is knowing that"?, it seems rather random. But anyway, what's your answer to the question?

 

[philbo]

Sorry for butting in so late, but...

"What is energy?" No, it's energy per unit of time. And you spelt it wrong.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, we're both experiencing the everyday world of Newtonian mechanics.

I'm not sure how you then leap to the question "Who is it that is knowing that"?, it seems rather random. But anyway, what's your answer to the question?

Strange to my mind, that anyone could even imagine that a mathematical model of natural mechanical nature equates with experience of life...so what are you experiencing when thinking, feeling love, asleep dreaming, etc..

But the penultimate most important question to be asked is...what is it that is experiencing these things..aka what am i?

And when the what is understood, then comes the most important question ever...who is it that is experiencing these things...aka, who am I?

As one discovers the answers to these questions, in sequence as prerequisite understanding is essential before the next question can be asked ....conceptual understanding gives way to true understanding...non-conceptual understanding....

Concepts of energy and matter are apparent aspects of the underlying unity of eternal existence... and material things are forever.....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

And when the what is understood, then comes the most important question ever...who is it that is experiencing these things...aka, who am I?

So what's your answer to the question?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So what's your answer to the question?

The questions are for you to find out subjectively, as the understanding is non-conceptual and thus can not be conveyed by language or mathematics...not to anyone, mot ever..and besides...there is a sequence like any learning curve...the deeper and more difficult questions require prerequisite understanding to be able to answer...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The questions are for you to find out subjectively, as the understanding is non-conceptual and thus can not be conveyed by language or mathematics...not to anyone, mot ever..and besides...there is a sequence like any learning curve...the deeper and more difficult questions require prerequisite understanding to be able to answer...

Non-conceptual experiences can be described, at least with metaphor. So why don't you have a go at answering your question?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Non-conceptual experiences can be described, at least with metaphor. So why don't you have a go at answering your question?

Well to cut to the chase...not that it will remove any of the difficult karmic suffering subjectively of anyone on the path of absolute understanding...the answer to the last question of who am I...is in reality a realization, but conceptually speaking, it could be conveyed as....the cosmos and i are one...

 

[atanu]

Tas tvam asi

That is wrong, btw.

 

[godnotgod]

No, we're both experiencing the everyday world of Newtonian mechanics.

Newtonian mechanics says that objects are real. Quantum mechanics says they are virtual. So if you accept the later findings of QM, then you cannot be experiencing NM, since objects are actually virtual. You are experiencing the Quantum world, thinking it to be a Newtonian experience.

When you are asleep, dreaming, you only think you are experiencing something real. Awakening shows you that you are not. The whole point of the Buddhistic experience is to awaken to a higher level of awareness which shows you the illusory nature of the world and of the self. This is Sunyata.

I'm not sure how you then leap to the question "Who is it that is knowing that"?, it seems rather random. But anyway, what's your answer to the question?

Referring again to the link you posted re: The Heart Sutra, it tells us that there is a merging of subject and object. Does that provide a clue?

 

[godnotgod]

That is wrong, btw.

According to your shruti, the jiva becomes Brahman, yes?

 

[godnotgod]

Non-conceptual experiences can be described, at least with metaphor. So why don't you have a go at answering your question?

Here's one from Zen:

"Zen is a finger pointing to the moon, but is not itself the moon."

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Newtonian mechanics says that objects are real. Quantum mechanics says they are virtual. So if you accept the later findings of QM, then you cannot be experiencing NM, since objects are actually virtual. You are experiencing the Quantum world, thinking it to be a Newtonian experience.

No, real v. virtual is a red herring, it's actually about how stuff behaves at different scales, see here: Classical mechanics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you drop a brick on your foot the pain is real enough.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

"Zen is a finger pointing to the moon, but is not itself the moon."

I asked for your answer to the question you posed: 'who is it that is knowing that?' So what is it?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Referring again to the link you posted re: The Heart Sutra, it tells us that there is a merging of subject and object.

Does it? Where exactly?

 

[godnotgod]

I asked for your answer to the question you posed: 'who is it that is knowing that?' So what is it?

You don't know who/what you are? You want me to answer that FOR you?
"Who is it that is knowing that?" is the original question posed to YOU.

 

[godnotgod]

Does it? Where exactly?

It's YOUR reference.

Somewhere in the commentary. You do the footwork.