What is God?

[mikkel_the_dane]

And there is your axiomatic assumption of a god (first being).

It contradicts the scientific assumption that life (beings) can emerge from non-life (non-beings). One has to accept your second premise to even get started in your system.
If your second premise is false, your system is not sound.

Yeah and in the end for this kind of philosophy we end here:
https://iep.utm.edu/cog-rel/

 

[Lain]

And there is your axiomatic assumption of a god (first being).

It contradicts the scientific assumption that life (beings) can emerge from non-life (non-beings). One has to accept your second premise to even get started in your system.
If your second premise is false, your system is not sound.

Anything that exists has being even if it doesn't have life. It contradicts nothing, that assumption is entirely unrelated.

 

[firedragon]

And there is your axiomatic assumption of a god (first being).

I didnt say God. Strawman.

Also, that is not the axiom. Speaking of logic, asking for a logical proposition, you should know what an axiom is.

Tell me. What are the logical axioms you hold as valid or true?

It contradicts the scientific assumption that life (beings) can emerge from non-life (non-beings).

Please take a little time to study logic or/and philosophy prior to making such nonsensical mistakes in your statements after asking for it. At least practice a little bit of humility and clarify before making such absurd statements.

A being is not a "living being" and life has nothing to do with a being. A being can have life or not. It is still a being.

 

[firedragon]

No,the first thing is to know what you're talking about. And when it comes to real gods, no one does ─ or if anyone does, she's not telling.
You think it's logical not to know what you're talking about?

Then our views are irreconcilable.

Ask.

 

[firedragon]

Yeah and in the end for this kind of philosophy we end here:
https://iep.utm.edu/cog-rel/

You think that's cognitive relativism? Really? And you did not address the collapse of all philosophy in the most kindergarten level abc's of philosophy in the same post you responded to?

I know you know better than that. Maybe you had something in your mind that you wished to state here and you just stated it no matter what you were responding to.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Ask.

Real is as far as I can tell a subjective cognitive judgment in the mind as it has no objective referent. But some people don't get that real and gods are the same in the sense that they has no evidence as per observation. Now of course, this is not absolute, but conditional as all claims are conditional and so are mine.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You think that's cognitive relativism? Really? And you did not address the collapse of all philosophy in the most kindergarten level abc's of philosophy in the same post you responded to?

I know you know better than that. Maybe you had something in your mind that you wished to state here and you just stated it no matter what you were responding to.

You have before said you would start a thread. Do that or ask again.

 

[Heyo]

A being is not a "living being" and life has nothing to do with a being. A being can have life or not. It is still a being.

Anything that exists has being even if it doesn't have life. It contradicts nothing, that assumption is entirely unrelated.

Well, there are different definitions of "being". If a being is anything that exists and anything that exists contingently is contingent upon something existing necessarily, then it seems that the universe is that necessary being. Agree?

 

[firedragon]

You have before said you would start a thread. Do that or ask again.

I said Ill start a thread? Im sorry. When was that?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I said Ill start a thread? Im sorry. When was that?

Some months ago, when I also mentioned relativism.

 

[firedragon]

Well, there are different definitions of "being". If a being is anything that exists and anything that exists contingently is contingent upon something existing necessarily, then it seems that the universe is that necessary being. Agree?

You made a blunder mate. There are no different definitions of "a being". This is not a gossiping twosome near the pool.

And of course I dont agree with your conclusion. Its nonsense. The universe is contingent.

 

[firedragon]

Some months ago, when I also mentioned relativism.

Ah. Im sorry I cannot remember. I do apologise. A thread on relativism. Okay. Let me compose a new thread. So you can enlighten me on what the discussion was. Thanks in advance.

 

[firedragon]

Real is as far as I can tell a subjective cognitive judgment in the mind as it has no objective referent. But some people don't get that real and gods are the same in the sense that they has no evidence as per observation. Now of course, this is not absolute, but conditional as all claims are conditional and so are mine.

I thought you were a rationalist. This is contradicting.

 

[Heyo]

You made a blunder mate. There are no different definitions of "a being". This is not a gossiping twosome near the pool.

"being
noun [...]
be·ing | \ ˈbē(-i)ŋ

\
Definition of being
(Entry 1 of 4)

1a : the quality or state of having existence a social movement that came into being in the 1960s artistic form comes into being only when two elements are successfully fused— Carlos Lynes
b(1) : something that is conceivable and hence capable of existing
(2) : something that actually exists
(3) : the totality of existing things
c : conscious existence : life
2 : the qualities that constitute an existent thing : essence I knew it was true in the core of my being. especially : personality
3 : a living thing sentient beings a mythical being especially : person a very sexual being" - Definition of BEING

And of course I dont agree with your conclusion. Its nonsense. The universe is contingent.

The universe is contingent upon what?

 

[Aupmanyav]

What real thing is denoted by the word "God"?

Qualities like

omniscient,
omnipotent,
omnipresent,
perfect,
eternal,
infinite,
spiritual,
supernatural,
immaterial​

aren't qualities of real things, only of imaginary things.

So given a God who's found in reality ─ by which I mean the world external to the self, nature, where things with objective existence are found ─ in what form does that God exist?

How could we tell whether we'd found a real one or not?

Or do gods only exist as a set of individual notions within a tradition?

You know my views. God is not anything real. It is the product of human imagination. However, my concept of Brahman does not make it into a God. For me, Brahman is 'physical energy', which constitutes all things in the universe without any exception. Brahman is omnipresent and eternal. Brahman is the only objective existent entity and takes all forms that we observe in the universe, since there is nothing else.

Yes, Brahman (being 'physical energy') is not a personal God but is not external to the universe.
Can we identify it as Brahman when we find it?: It is the easiest thing to do because all that we observe or are not able to observe is Brahman itself.

It contradicts the scientific assumption that life (beings) can emerge from non-life (non-beings). One has to accept your second premise to even get started in your system.
If your second premise is false, your system is not sound.

I am perfectly at ease in admitting that life arose out of non-living substances. Actually, there is no difference between living or non-living things, since they are all constituted by atoms, hence 'physical energy'.

I have gone though page 13. I would not go back to previous 12 pages.

 

[firedragon]

"being
noun [...]
be·ing | \ ˈbē(-i)ŋ

\
Definition of being
(Entry 1 of 4)

1a : the quality or state of having existence a social movement that came into being in the 1960s artistic form comes into being only when two elements are successfully fused— Carlos Lynes
b(1) : something that is conceivable and hence capable of existing
(2) : something that actually exists
(3) : the totality of existing things
c : conscious existence : life
2 : the qualities that constitute an existent thing : essence I knew it was true in the core of my being. especially : personality
3 : a living thing sentient beings a mythical being especially : person a very sexual being" - Definition of BEING

Do a little bit of studying.

The universe is contingent upon what?

A little more studying. A tad would do.

Until then, with your arrogance you cannot have a conversation like this.

Have a great day. Now please resort to some ad hominem.

 

[firedragon]

For me, Brahman is 'physical energy'

Prove it with empiricism.

 

[Heyo]

Now please resort to some ad hominem.

If you insist ...
You know you are in a corner, you know how the conversation would continue (and so do I). Better quit before you have to admit to what I said in the beginning.
(Feel better now?)

 

[firedragon]

If you insist ...
You know you are in a corner, you know how the conversation would continue (and so do I). Better quit before you have to admit to what I said in the beginning.
(Feel better now?)

Try and read a little.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Prove it with empiricism.

That is what we started with at the time of Big Bang, a ball of high temp., high Pressure energy according to the standard model of Big Bang.