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What is God?
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Truth in love
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As He has not opted to pay me a persona visit I'm left to work with the words of Prophets.
Hebrew 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
God looks like us.
Heb 12: 9 shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
The core message that God is our father is repeated often :
God of the spirits of all flesh, Num. 16:22 (27:16).
glorify your Father which is in heaven, Matt. 5:16.
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, Matt. 5:48.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful, Luke 6:36.
Son of man standing on the right hand of God, Acts 7:56.
In shot God is actually our Father. This earth life is like boarding school or summer camp and death is when we go home. The great complexities of creation and life are all done for our benefit and learning. Or as we get from the book of Moses 1:
37 And the Lord God spake unto Moses, saying: The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine.
38 And as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come; and there is no end to my works, neither to my words.
39 For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The problem with relying on the prophets is that we do not know how reliable they are.
To day when someone says they are speaking for God we think that they are mad or a charlatan, or out to make a buck in some way... and we always seem to be right.
So what about the Prophets of old. were they any better, or were they doing exactly the same thing.
Were they the sort of people that we would bet our lives on.
Do we really know any more about them than we do about God.
Truth in love
Well-Known Member
There have been scum going back a long ways. That does not mean that all are.
Christ said we would know them by their fruits. What is preached? What is lived?
The guy preaching to be happy in poverty with a million dollars in jewelry does not add up. On the other hand true prophets have and do live what they preach, they guide people to do well.
God knows how reliable a person is. He can call whom He chooses.
Would I bet my life? Yes and my eternity and the lives and eternities of friends and family.
Why? Because I know form God that He does call prophets in our time. A Lot of people don't like me saying this, but God does answer prayers and we can know not just hope.
What is God?
In my view god is in the mind of believers so he/she/it can be whatever any believer can imagine.
If anyone can provide falsifiable evidence that shows i am wrong i would be willing to examine that evidence.
In my view god is in the mind of believers so he/she/it can be whatever any believer can imagine.
If anyone can provide falsifiable evidence that shows i am wrong i would be willing to examine that evidence.
starguy1942
Member
When you ask about the abilities or nature of a god, you concede His existence. Back up. Do not concede his existence, and you will discover how irrelevant and silly those questions are.
starguy1942
Member
Why say that God is the whole universe? That has no logical meaning whatsoever to blithely state that a non-existent, ethereal figment of human need and imagination can be anything at all, let alone the entire universee!
Salam
If you want, we can have one on one discussion on one argument, the seeing argument. It can be broken down to either three premises or four (I can structure it either way) or I even done it with two premises.
I believe it's very clear through that, that God exists. If you can provide alternative explanation on the objective value of the self and accountability of its deeds and it raising in rank or going down, I am all ears.
starguy1942
Member
I wrote a reply to a message and then I am offered this larger comment section. I am not sure what to do with it.
starguy1942
Member
I'm new . to whom are your remarks addressed?
To @ChristineM
But if you are interested in the argument, I did a poem about it once too:
Title: Seeing argument for God
Does something see us as we truly are?
Is it us or something else that sees?
If it is us and we misjudge do we disappear?
And if it's not us, what is this vision that sees us exactly as we are?
Or there is no accurate us,
And our self-analysis is close enough.
But close enough to what?
If not the true accurate self?
Which again is defined by what?
Or do we exist without requiring perception?
But look at yourself and look at your properties?
Are they not all by awareness and perception?
Who is keeping score of your actions?
What maintains the image of your personality?
What makes you inherit your actions?
starguy1942
Member
Yes. You BELIEVE that it's very clear... That is a contradiction in terms to begin with. If you KNOW that god exists, then your knowledge is based on evidence and I ask that you share it. If you only BELIEVE that "it's clear", your opinion is of no use. It is just human folly and frailty.
Salam
I've done many arguments. One is also a proof by contradiction.
From a different thread:
4. Morality is Eternal.
If a hypothetical Creator can create morality from nothing, it can make it whatever it pleases.
If this is the case, it would be largely arbitrary.
If it's arbitrary then torturing good souls forever can be deemed good.
The above line is impossible.
Therefore no hypothetical Creator can create morality from nothing.
A hypothetical creator can create everything evolution can create.
Therefore evolution cannot create morality from nothing.
Therefore morality is uncreated and eternal.
Morality requires vision and judgment.
This proves Eternal Vision of morality exists.
If morality exists eternally, all levels of it exist eternally.
The highest level can only be known fully by the highest possible being.
Therefore the Highest possible moral being exists.
(My comment: There is additional hidden premises to make the conclusion work)
I wrote this in the past too:
I've went through doubts myself at a certain dark period of my life.
You gain certainty by asking the following:
What is love? What is that it values? Does it fully see it or does guess at it? And it's guessing at it, what's it assuming?
Love assumes you have value, objective value, and that other human beings do. You don't see it's exact nature, value that is, but with love, you know it exists.
You know parents have value. You appreciate people's actions because you believe in an intention and soul behind it.
Not only that, but that which you are valuing, you constantly delegate it to God's vision. That is you say God knows it, no one else does, this done every breath every moment of your life. Since you were a baby till now. You know value exists, you don't know it's exact measurement, even though it requires sight and vision to be there. You know God sees and measures every soul accurately and makes it inherit it's deeds.
See it in yourself. When you say yourself this may or probably is not true, you've become a disbeliever. Disbelievers disbelieve because they trick themselves that God doesn't know what they do. It's funny because every part of their soul relies on God knowing all our deeds and to love, you assume there is value, and you assume it has objective judgement to what it is.
Value and something giving it that value, cannot be separated.
You very well know God sees your actions, and if you begin to think otherwise, you are in letting irrationality trick yourself out of ingrained knowledge. It's stupid to think your actions form part of who you are without God. It's foolishness gone extreme.
I've went through doubts myself at a certain dark period of my life.
You gain certainty by asking the following:
What is love? What is that it values? Does it fully see it or does guess at it? And it's guessing at it, what's it assuming?
Love assumes you have value, objective value, and that other human beings do. You don't see it's exact nature, value that is, but with love, you know it exists.
You know parents have value. You appreciate people's actions because you believe in an intention and soul behind it.
Not only that, but that which you are valuing, you constantly delegate it to God's vision. That is you say God knows it, no one else does, this done every breath every moment of your life. Since you were a baby till now. You know value exists, you don't know it's exact measurement, even though it requires sight and vision to be there. You know God sees and measures every soul accurately and makes it inherit it's deeds.
See it in yourself. When you say yourself this may or probably is not true, you've become a disbeliever. Disbelievers disbelieve because they trick themselves that God doesn't know what they do. It's funny because every part of their soul relies on God knowing all our deeds and to love, you assume there is value, and you assume it has objective judgement to what it is.
Value and something giving it that value, cannot be separated.
You very well know God sees your actions, and if you begin to think otherwise, you are in letting irrationality trick yourself out of ingrained knowledge. It's stupid to think your actions form part of who you are without God. It's foolishness gone extreme.
starguy1942
Member
Anyone can throw around mystical sounding words and make any connections to bolster unprovable claims.
There is not one iota of proof anywhere that any god exists, has ever existed, or can possibly exist. This universe is vast beyond measure, and yet there is no space, no place, no means for any ethereal, non-corporeal entity to
exist, let alone with the total power and knowledge. The whole idea of a god is silly. Likewise, souls, heaven, hell,
angels, and Santa Claus.
There is not one iota of proof anywhere that any god exists, has ever existed, or can possibly exist. This universe is vast beyond measure, and yet there is no space, no place, no means for any ethereal, non-corporeal entity to
exist, let alone with the total power and knowledge. The whole idea of a god is silly. Likewise, souls, heaven, hell,
angels, and Santa Claus.
Who we are and love are both mystical things. Naturally, they are the best things to look at to a prove a mystical being.
There's nothing silly about God or soul or magic existing or the arguments I made.
The arguments I made are also very grounded to all human experience.
starguy1942
Member
"You gain certainty by asking the following:
What is love? What is that it values? Does it fully see it or does guess at it? And it's guessing at it, what's it assuming?"
NO you don't! Where did you get that idea? Do you think that it's true just because YOU say it is?
Nonsense!
It's a reflection. What I say does not create reality, but what I say can remind and prove something about reality, if you observe reality in the proper reflect way.
starguy1942
Member
Now you say:
"Naturally, they are the best things to look at to a prove a mystical being."
Again, nonsensical statements. Make 'em up as you go along. If they sound nice, they must be true, right?