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What is immoral about casual and friendly sex between adults?

ppp

Well-Known Member
Well, I'm being told by Atheists that it's basically immoral to cheat in a marriage... What facts or evidence is there that it makes a *real world* difference one way or the other, when marriage is just an imagined concept just like religion. Words on paper... A promise... It's just an imaginary concept not based on facts.
I still don't know what you think morality is. Or what "real world" means. What you are going on about with imaginary concepts. Looks like you are just stringing a bunch of buzzwords together with out a coherent point. Or maybe I am just oblivious.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
You pays your money, so to speak, and you accept the consequences.
Welcome to life on earth. How do you think every creature in the history of the universe has found a mate? Do you suppose that the T-Rex's father negotiated with the other T-Rex family for their daughter, and worked out an appropriate dowry? Do you think early humans were all married off by parental or tribal arrangements? Do you suppose that young men and women (or young male animals and young female animals) never looked at each other and recognized (throught the mechanisms that nature herself has provided) that "this is the mate for me?"

Do you suppose that the peahen, carefully examing the brilliant display of 4 or 5 peacocks, isn't going to eventually "take a chance" on one of them -- for reasons only she knows?

Yes, you are right, you pays your money and you takes your chances. Welcome to life on earth.
 

Piculet

Active Member
your statement that I hate humans, which I asked you to do a week ago.
You misrepresent my words. No. I will not apologise for saying what I think in a discussion such as this.
Are you, right here and right now, calling me "immoral" and "living an immoral lifestyle" and "a constant sinner?" Because that's what I just read.
According to your words you do commit sin according the Abrahamic faiths. Now you are free to do whatever you want, but in Islam what you say you do/would do/what you think is okay to do, is wrong, sinful, immoral — Immoral lifestyle.

Could it be that people who lead an immoral lifestyle cannot bear it if their values/norms/habits are questioned?

Could that be because they are ashamed because deep down they know that they do wrong?

Why should their moral "standards" be accepted without sound reasoning? What gives them the authority over others? How is it okay for them to do all kinds of sin in front of us and claim a moral high ground just because?
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
I still don't know what you think morality is. Or what "real world" means. What you are going on about with imaginary concepts. Looks like you are just stringing a bunch of buzzwords together with out a coherent point. Or maybe I am just oblivious.

I'm the one being told I'm wrong for cheating on my wife, and having gay sex on the side. There's nothing *wrong* with that. :cool:

...I shouldn't have to be ashamed, or be told I'm bad, or ridiculed for it... It's my life, and I haven't hurt anyone.

 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Welcome to life on earth. How do you think every creature in the history of the universe has found a mate? Do you suppose that the T-Rex's father negotiated with the other T-Rex family for their daughter, and worked out an appropriate dowry? Do you think early humans were all married off by parental or tribal arrangements? Do you suppose that young men and women (or young male animals and young female animals) never looked at each other and recognized (throught the mechanisms that nature herself has provided) that "this is the mate for me?"

Do you suppose that the peahen, carefully examing the brilliant display of 4 or 5 peacocks, isn't going to eventually "take a chance" on one of them -- for reasons only she knows?

Yes, you are right, you pays your money and you takes your chances. Welcome to life on earth.
I don't understand your reaction to my post which was about promiscuity vs fidelity and the consequences that can happen (as I mentioned with a broken marriage etc that can happen).

That has nothing to do with the animal kingdom. And it has nothing to do with loving, committed relationships of any kind.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Then why appeal to morality when claiming that you haven't hurt any one. If you are to be believed, you should have appealed to law.

That language was presented in post 54.. I just used it as a way to describe how I was being villainized by fellow Atheists, as if I had committed some kind of "sin".
 

Piculet

Active Member
It is not his fault his standards of morality are higher than yours.
In the egoistic society, fuelled by capitalism, American industries and economical catastrophes, the immoral think they are moral while they walk all over the moral for not sinning enough to deserve a place in the society. Yes, you want everyone to be as guilty as you are.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
What kind of God is pleased with whoring around? What is your scripture that you follow?
Who said whoring? I'm not talking about prostitution. I follow Jesus, not just some words from a book. I'm sorry but life is not easy or black and white like you seem to want it to be. Reality is complex, but some people's minds can't handle that.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
That language was presented in post 54.. I just used it as a way to describe how I was being villainized by fellow Atheists, as if I had committed some kind of "sin".
There is nothing illegal about being villanized. It wasn't even come close to rising to the level of libel. So again, what's the problem?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I don't understand your reaction to my post which was about promiscuity vs fidelity and the consequences that can happen (as I mentioned with a broken marriage etc that can happen).

That has nothing to do with the animal kingdom. And it has nothing to do with loving, committed relationships of any kind.
I am trying to make clear that we humans are not perfect, and that the strongest, most loving, most committed relationships are not foolproof against our animal tendencies -- and that we then have to learn how to live with ourselves as we are, and deal with the consequences of whatever we do.

In terms of simply being human, I am no sort of "idealist" at all. We're going to screw up sometimes, so why not think about what that means, and how to deal with it?
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
There is nothing illegal about being villanized. It wasn't even come close to rising to the level of libel. So again, what's the problem?

The problem is that if people here are claiming to be real atheists, they're going to have to step up their game and stop acting like Christians.

...Or am I wrong?
 

McBell

Unbound
In the egoistic society, fuelled by capitalism, American industries and economical catastrophes, the immoral think they are moral while they walk all over the moral for not sinning enough to deserve a place in the society. Yes, you want everyone to be as guilty as you are.
Such an ego you display in your bold empty claims of moral superiority.
 
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