What is in a name: Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?

[rosends]

You're using wordplay without using the example that I used.

No, I'm using the example you gave to show how the logical conclusion supports the point I was making (which you avoided).

 

[Epic Beard Man]

No, I'm using the example you gave to show how the logical conclusion supports the point I was making (which you avoided).

If you say so.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Again you are missing the point

Only because your "point" is incredibly vague. Both the title's question and your video OP have been addressed; is this going to be yet another example of you being right just because?

I'm talking about the nonsensical support of Jewish theology and the absence of support of Islamic theology when the core principles of Jewish theology and Islamic theology are the same.

As many have pointed out to you, the "core theology" is the same. So Christians accept "Islamic theology" just as much as they do Jewish. As has also been mentioned, they reject quite a bit too. So your "point" seems to be unnecessary special pleading for Islamic views; it's akin to asking (which has also been mentioned) why Muslims accept Jewish theology but not Baha'i theology.

If I write the message I love you, in Mandarin it may be said differently, or in Italian it might be said differently, but the core message means that I love you.

If I tell my cat or my best friend "I love you" it means something totally different than when I tell the same to my wife. Poor comparison.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Well, when I'm talking about healing the sick, I'm referring to the divine powers that emanate from him (Jesus).

How do we know they were healed? For the most part, we never hear about these unnamed people again. They could've died the next day and no one would've known because Jesus had already moved on.

Islam has 5 facts

Islam has 5 beliefs.

Christianity is a continuation of the Hebrew faith, is true, and is given by God. Islam is none of those. Islam did not advance our knowledge of God or our relationship with Him; it only detracted from both.

But Jews think Christians are just detractions from God.

It is a historical continuum view that reaches back to antiquity; the interactions between Christendom and the Islamic world have largely been Islamic conquest efforts, subjugation and reclamation efforts.

Christianity went WILD after legalization.

the idea that God has no partners had nothing to do with Christians.

But if we trace the theologies back far enough, we see God DID. There was an entire family, many of whom killed each other regularly. Monotheism wasn't the original outlook.

Even though Jesus said that many false prophets will come after Him, and that He was the last, people still believe in Islam because they don’t know the Bible.

Everyone always thinks they're the last.

You imply that there is a hidden message; that God’s word is only available to those who speak Hebrew.

It took the Church a LOOOOONG time to agree to any scriptures not in Latin or Greek.

Even now, we have people who cling to Shakespearean English like it's straight from God's mouth.

Where does it contradict it?

For starters, Jesus isn't necessary to forgive sins because God was capable of this the entire time.

Jesus' death isn't necessary to forgive sins because Jesus does it while still alive. They can't even keep their own story straight.

I know Jesus is real.

God can be real even if stories about Him aren't necessarily so.

God gave dominion to man and men gave it to the enemy of God.

That's what happens when God is too lazy. He creates animals and can't even name them, making some hairless dirt ape do it for Him.

Why would God send another prophet?

Jesus said he came to fulfill the Jewish scriptures, so why do we even need a New Testament?

Lastly, Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil and save man.

For like a thousand years, which is a drop in the bucket of eternity. I prefer God. At least He sticks around.

Who is Jesus?

Someone who got busted for religious terrorism. Occasionally, he said some moral things. Couldn't even get his own apostles to understand him.

The next time you meet a Christian (born again, baptised in water, received the spirit of G-d) ask them to lay hands on you and pray for you.

With all due respect, it's the newbies to Christianity who speak more than what they actually know, like a kid who endlessly "impresses" people by singing the alphabet for hours.

Baptism is the wedding ... then comes the marriage. Maturing in the faith is just as if not more important than playing in the water.

And he said that we will do more than he did. How exciting.

I'm celibate, but anyone who gets laid is doing more than Jesus supposedly did.

I go out on the streets and lay hands on the sick and God heals them

Got their medical records with you?

It’s good that you accepted Jesus but did you obey him? He tells us to repent (rethink our lives and turn our back on sin), get baptised in water and fire (receive the Holy Spirit). Then make more disciples.

So, a pyramid scheme, then? No depth, just "tag and brag"?

Jesus commands us to go into all the world and preach the Gospel.

He also distinctly thought his own apostles didn't understand him. Who lets the people making an F in class do the teaching?

Also, (I didn’t say anything about anyone being evil) as Jesus accomplished what He was sent to do, what purpose would a prophet after Him have?

Why did he say he needed to come back if he did his job right the first time?

The Mormons, for instance, believe that Joseph Smith was sent to restore man - yet Jesus did that, and polygamy goes against God’s Word on love and marriage.

Polygamy is all over the bible.

 

[Katzpur]

The Mormons, for instance, believe that Joseph Smith was sent to restore man - yet Jesus did that, and polygamy goes against God’s Word on love and marriage.

Okay, Libski, you're new here so I'm going to cut you some slack. I'm not going to let your inaccuracies stand, though, without setting the record straight. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, and the only means by which we human beings can be reconciled to God. We don't see Joseph Smith as anything remotely close to that. As for polygamy, Mormons don't practice polygamy and haven't for well over 100 years. Yes, they did at one time, but you must remember that many of the greatest figures in the Bible did, too -- including Abraham. And never once did God chastise him for it. There is a time and a place for everything, and there is nowhere in the Bible where we are told that there is anything inherently wrong with a man having more than one wife. It all depends on the circumstances.

 

[Libski]

How do we know they were healed? For the most part, we never hear about these unnamed people again. They could've died the next day and no one would've known because Jesus had already moved on.


Islam has 5 beliefs.


But Jews think Christians are just detractions from God.


Christianity went WILD after legalization.


But if we trace the theologies back far enough, we see God DID. There was an entire family, many of whom killed each other regularly. Monotheism wasn't the original outlook.


Everyone always thinks they're the last.


It took the Church a LOOOOONG time to agree to any scriptures not in Latin or Greek.

Even now, we have people who cling to Shakespearean English like it's straight from God's mouth.


For starters, Jesus isn't necessary to forgive sins because God was capable of this the entire time.

Jesus' death isn't necessary to forgive sins because Jesus does it while still alive. They can't even keep their own story straight.


God can be real even if stories about Him aren't necessarily so.


That's what happens when God is too lazy. He creates animals and can't even name them, making some hairless dirt ape do it for Him.


Jesus said he came to fulfill the Jewish scriptures, so why do we even need a New Testament?


For like a thousand years, which is a drop in the bucket of eternity. I prefer God. At least He sticks around.


Someone who got busted for religious terrorism. Occasionally, he said some moral things. Couldn't even get his own apostles to understand him.


With all due respect, it's the newbies to Christianity who speak more than what they actually know, like a kid who endlessly "impresses" people by singing the alphabet for hours.

Baptism is the wedding ... then comes the marriage. Maturing in the faith is just as if not more important than playing in the water.


I'm celibate, but anyone who gets laid is doing more than Jesus supposedly did.


Got their medical records with you?


So, a pyramid scheme, then? No depth, just "tag and brag"?


He also distinctly thought his own apostles didn't understand him. Who lets the people making an F in class do the teaching?


Why did he say he needed to come back if he did his job right the first time?


Polygamy is all over the bible.

God describes marriage as a union of two; two become one.

Jesus’ death was necessary to break the tie between sin and death. The wages of sin is death. Death couldn’t hold Him because He was without sin. People could be saved by grace, n longer under the law.

The New Testament, for example the Book of Acts and the Gospels, show the reader what a normal Christian life looks like - disciples making disciples and growing up in Christ.

His disciples didn’t believe that He would rise again. After they had, they sacrificed their lives to spread the Gospel, each dying a brutal death, knowing that the Gospel is true.

 

[Libski]

Okay, Libski, you're new here so I'm going to cut you some slack. I'm not going to let your inaccuracies stand, though, without setting the record straight. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, and the only means by which we human beings can be reconciled to God. We don't see Joseph Smith as anything remotely close to that. As for polygamy, Mormons don't practice polygamy and haven't for well over 100 years. Yes, they did at one time, but you must remember that many of the greatest figures in the Bible did, too -- including Abraham. And never once did God chastise him for it. There is a time and a place for everything, and there is nowhere in the Bible where we are told that there is anything inherently wrong with a man having more than one wife. It all depends on the circumstances.

I don’t disagree with what you’ve said about the Mormon view of Jesus nor did I imply that earlier, but, Mormons tell me that Joseph Smith’s purpose was to “restore” things. Jesus did that and modeled who we are created to be - healed, saved, restored and made whole.

Joseph Smith engaged in polygamy even though God tells us that a marriage has two people and celibacy is for those who are unmarried. Polygamy can be found in the Old Testament but God didn’t command it.

 

[Katzpur]

I don’t disagree with what you’ve said about the Mormon view of Jesus nor did I imply that earlier, but, Mormons tell me that Joseph Smith’s purpose was to “restore” things. Jesus did that and modeled who we are created to be - healed, saved, restored and made whole.

Mormons believe that when Jesus Christ told Peter, James and John that He intended to "build [His] church," He meant it. We believe that He did just that. Paul prophesied, though, that the Church Jesus Christ established would fall into apostasy. Mormonism teaches that this did, in fact, happen. The Catholic Church claims to be the Church that Jesus Christ himself established. Unless I'm mistaken, you were raised Catholic and are aware of this claim. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read that in one of your posts.) Since you left Catholicism, you would undoubtedly agree that the Roman Catholic Church is not the same Church that Jesus Christ established, and that Paul was right in prophesying of a "falling away" from the truth. Mormonism claims to be a restoration or reestablishment of the ancient Church established by Jesus Christ, not a reformation of an existing church, but the rebuilding of the Church Jesus Christ established with Him as the cornerstone. I don't expect you to believe that. But if the church Jesus Christ established did fall into an apostasy, (and as a former Catholic, you must agree that it did) then it needed to be restored. Joseph Smith did not claim to be our Creator, Healer or Savior, and Mormons don't believe he was any of those things.

Joseph Smith engaged in polygamy even though God tells us that a marriage has two people and celibacy is for those who are unmarried. Polygamy can be found in the Old Testament but God didn’t command it.

Trust me, Mormons value celibacy among unmarried individuals as much if not more than most Christians. Furthermore, we agree that the norm should be monogamy, with polygamy practiced only when authorized by God. If you think that God has never, ever authorized a man to marry a second wife, you are sadly mistaken. In the Old Testament, God actually made certain rules and regulations pertaining to the practice of polygamy. (See Exodus 21:10, Deuteronomy 21:15-17, and Deuteronomy 17:17, for instance.) Over 40 major figures in the Old Testament had more than one wife. In none of these cases did God condemn it. These were people like Moses, Esau and Abraham. The practice was considered a reasonable (and not sinful) alternative in the case of famine, widowhood, or female infertility.

In 2 Samuel 12:8 God said to David: "And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." He chastised David for marrying Bathsheba, who was already the wife of Uriah the Hittite. But He didn't condemn him for his other marriages (plural). In fact, in 1 Kings:15:5, we read, "Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite." Two verses earlier (i.e. verse 3) we read that his heart had been "perfect with the Lord."

So, you can claim that the Bible condemns polygamy outright, as always being sinful, if you want. But the fact is, it doesn't.

 

[Libski]

Mormons believe that when Jesus Christ told Peter, James and John that He intended to "build [His] church," He meant it. We believe that He did just that. Paul prophesied, though, that the Church Jesus Christ established would fall into apostasy. Mormonism teaches that this did, in fact, happen. The Catholic Church claims to be the Church that Jesus Christ himself established. Unless I'm mistaken, you were raised Catholic and are aware of this claim. (Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read that in one of your posts.) Since you left Catholicism, you would undoubtedly agree that the Roman Catholic Church is not the same Church that Jesus Christ established, and that Paul was right in prophesying of a "falling away" from the truth. Mormonism claims to be a restoration or reestablishment of the ancient Church established by Jesus Christ, not a reformation of an existing church, but the rebuilding of the Church Jesus Christ established with Him as the cornerstone. I don't expect you to believe that. But if the church Jesus Christ established did fall into an apostasy, (and as a former Catholic, you must agree that it did) then it needed to be restored. Joseph Smith did not claim to be our Creator, Healer or Savior, and Mormons don't believe he was any of those things.

Trust me, Mormons value celibacy among unmarried individuals as much if not more than most Christians. Furthermore, we agree that the norm should be monogamy, with polygamy practiced only when authorized by God. If you think that God has never, ever authorized a man to marry a second wife, you are sadly mistaken. In the Old Testament, God actually made certain rules and regulations pertaining to the practice of polygamy. (See Exodus 21:10, Deuteronomy 21:15-17, and Deuteronomy 17:17, for instance.) Over 40 major figures in the Old Testament had more than one wife. In none of these cases did God condemn it. These were people like Moses, Esau and Abraham. The practice was considered a reasonable (and not sinful) alternative in the case of famine, widowhood, or female infertility.

In 2 Samuel 12:8 God said to David: "And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." He chastised David for marrying Bathsheba, who was already the wife of Uriah the Hittite. But He didn't condemn him for his other marriages (plural). In fact, in 1 Kings:15:5, we read, "Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite." Two verses earlier (i.e. verse 3) we read that his heart had been "perfect with the Lord."

So, you can claim that the Bible condemns polygamy outright, as always being sinful, if you want. But the fact is, it doesn't.

I didn’t claim that it did. My view is that three people can’t become one flesh. And what God says for one He says for all. Sara went against God and gave her maid to Abraham. That was the will of flesh, not the will of God. How can polygamy be the will of God as well as ‘two become one flesh’?

The Word instructs us not to make images of Jesus (or statues) and the Book of Mormon goes against that.

When we go against the Word, and create traditions and rituals, we lose God’s power - the Catholic Church is a prime example. It looks nothing like the Book of Acts.

Jesus said that the people are the church, we are to make disciples and He will make His church. My friends and I do what the first disciples did - meet in houses, break bread and edify and equip each other in the Word.

Do Mormons receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues?

A group of Mormons tried to get me to join years ago. After weeks of visits I came close. I hesitated and they sent elders to my house. When I saw their eyes, what I perceived to be a lack of peace, I decided not to join.

I got no response on Joseph Smith’s purpose from them. In fact, believing in him belies the finished work of Christ, wouldn’t you say? Or at least that’s my view.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

My view is that three people can’t become one flesh.

Two people can't even become one flesh.

 

[Libski]

Two people can't even become one flesh.

Metaphorically they can.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Metaphorically they can.

Then "metaphorically" three people can become one flesh as well.

 

[Libski]

Then "metaphorically" three people can become one flesh as well.

The metaphor of two becoming one is that one is the head (husband; leader) and the other is the body (wife; helper). It’s a perfect and permanent union, both surrendering to the other - a physical and spiritual coming together.

How could three become one flesh?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

The metaphor of two becoming one is that one is the head (husband; leader) and the other is the body (wife; helper). It’s a perfect and permanent union, both surrendering to the other - a physical and spiritual coming together.

How could three become one flesh?

Sounds pretty sexist, put like that. You know, my wife and I tend to cooperate on everything we do, rather than concern our relationship with "head of household" or such nonsense.

How can three become one? By living together in a relationship of the same nature. When you stop worrying about who's the head and who's the body... Or maybe have a head, body, arms, legs, whatever.

 

[Katzpur]

I didn’t claim that it did. My view is that three people can’t become one flesh. And what God says for one He says for all. Sara went against God and gave her maid to Abraham. That was the will of flesh, not the will of God. How can polygamy be the will of God as well as ‘two become one flesh’?

I have already answered this question. Monogamy should be the norm. Occasionally, however, God has permitted polygamy. In such cases, it is every bit as possible for three to be one flesh as it is for two to be one flesh. We're not talking about a physical combining of two bodies of flesh; we're talking about a unity of purpose.

The Word instructs us not to make images of Jesus (or statues) and the Book of Mormon goes against that.

Excuse me? What are you talking about?

When we go against the Word, and create traditions and rituals, we lose God’s power - the Catholic Church is a prime example. It looks nothing like the Book of Acts.

Jesus said that the people are the church, we are to make disciples and He will make His church. My friends and I do what the first disciples did - meet in houses, break bread and edify and equip each other in the Word.

There is nothing wrong with you worshiping that way. I never implied that there is. Mormons do that, too, except that we don't typically meet in houses. Surely you can't be saying that it's not okay with God to worship in a larger building than a private home.

Do Mormons receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues?

We believe that faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by immersion, confirmation, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost are all necessary for salvation. So yes, we absolutely do receive the Holy Spirit. We also believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and in all of the spiritual gifts that existed in Christ's original Church.

A group of Mormons tried to get me to join years ago. After weeks of visits I came close. I hesitated and they sent elders to my house. When I saw their eyes, what I perceived to be a lack of peace, I decided not to join.

You know, I believe people have some reasonably decent reasons not to convert to Mormonism, but this one truly takes the cake. Then again, if you're only 18 now and this all happened "years ago," you wouldn't have been able to join the Church without your parents' permission anyway.

I got no response on Joseph Smith’s purpose from them.

No response? You asked them, "What was Joseph Smith's purpose?" and they just shrugged their shoulders? Come on, Libski, I wasn't born yesterday. I know better than that.

In fact, believing in him belies the finished work of Christ, wouldn’t you say?

Are you kidding? Joseph Smith's entire life was focused on teaching that Jesus Christ is our Savior and Redeemer, that He lived a perfect life, sacrificed His life to save us and rose from the dead so that we might do so also, and be reunited with God. How can testifying of Christ's life and mission belie His finished work? Look, I'm not trying to convert you to Mormonism; I'm really not. But seriously, you have been told a few things about Mormonism and about Joseph Smith that simply aren't true. If you want to continue to believe things about him and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that aren't accurate, feel free. I would hope that you'd prefer to get your facts straight. I don't think you'd want me to believe lies about your church, would you?

 

[Mister Emu]

But Jews think Christians are just detractions from God.

Okay, what has that got to do with the price of tea in China?

Christianity went WILD after legalization.

Once again, how do you believe that that going "wild" effects the historical relationship between Islam and Christendom?

 

[Sakeenah]

Sakeenah, thank you very much for explaining everything so well. From this it seems Islam is quite tolerant as regard to messengers. Happy to hear.

I have 1 question. Moses for me is kind of special in the sense "Allah spoke directly" and he is so dedicated to God. If I remember correctly Islam puts God very high [not human I mean]. Not like having children or being father? like in Christianity [correct me if I'm wrong]. I was brought up Christian, but I understand why Koran puts it in this way; in Sanathana Dharma I learned the same.

My question is now: Allah spoke directly to Moses. This is kind of personal. So, though not having father/son relationship with God according to Koran is it possible that God talks to us? I ask this because talking also gives me a kind of "human" feeling like in "father/son". How can I understand this, from the viewpoint of the Koran? That question can be divided in 2 questions. How was it in the case of Moses, and how would God talk to us, so me? Is it seen as a voice from within or from without?

Your welcome, and sorry for my late reply. Good question, I'll do my best to answer this with my limited knowledge and vocab.

We believe God talks to us, but not in how we talk, to understand the Islamic concept, you need to understand some of the foundations in Islamic theology such as the names and attributes of God.

The Quran is also called Kalaamullah( the speech/ word of God). As Muslims we say that the Quran is one of the attributes of God.
What is meant by that is that God spoke the words of the Quran, which Gabriel heard from Him, and brought down to the Prophet (peace be upon him), and conveyed it to him.

We believe that all of the attributes of God, are uncreated; they are eternal, with no beginning. The words of Allah are among these attributes, and that includes the Quran.
So when we read the Quran, we believe that God is talking to us. As Muslims we talk to God, but He answers through guidance, answering our prayers. But we don't believe that we can hear God's voice, and have a conversation. We do believe that God will talk to us in the hereafter, when we stand before Him.

There are some prophets that God has spoken to directly and one of them is Moses.
The talking that is mentioned in the Quran between God and Moses can't be compared to a conversation between a father and a son, because the Creator and servant relationship is far deeper and superior.
So even though we believe God talks, hears and sees we believe that
there is nothing like God, nothing that is equal or comparable to Him.God is far above any resemblance to any created being.
I hope this answers your questions.

Allaah says in the Quran:

“There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, All-Seer.” [al-Shoora 42:11].

 

[stvdv]

Your welcome, and sorry for my late reply. Good question, I'll do my best to answer this with my limited knowledge and vocab.

Thank you very much. And your reply is one of the most clear replies I have ever heard. Detailed and exactly to the point [I am happy to wait even one month if I get such a nice answer]. God talks to Muslim though the Koran that makes sense. So Moses is special being talked to directly. Even Mohammed had Gabriel in between.

As Muslims we talk to God............But we don't believe that we can hear God's voice, and have a conversation
If I read correctly, this is true for ALL muslims, or are there some exceptions? Maybe Imaams or someone who leads a very devoted life [like monks living in monastry devoting all their time to God]?

A new important question I got. I read chapter 114. Nice short and quite easy to understand. It warns for someone who whispers. My interpretation is that it starts with a warning against your own mental thoughts in the first verses [maybe this is the verse why you said "Muslim can't hear God's voice"], but then the final verse 114:6 mentions "Djin and people". I guess Djin is the voice from within, and people is the voice from without. A very clear warning to watch out for what info is coming into your ears.

So suppose one has a different spiritual view than me. Some points can be even opposite. Should I then not talk to him [as to not shake my faith] or is it meant here, that when we talk, it should be with an open and honest attitude to learn from each others perspective and not with a sneaky attitude to get the other "into your religion" by trying to change his view. It should be by his own choice [not by instilling fear in him for hell or missing out on paradise]. Of course it goes both ways.

My most favourite is respectful sharing spiritual views and experiences and my least favourite is evangelizing. If I understand this chapter correct, I think a Muslim is here advised to not engage in evangelizing [I mean if Koran warns the Muslim for others evangelizing to him, he should also not do it to others]

 

[Baroodi]

Judaism is a continuation of the Hebrew faith, is true, and is given by God. Christianity is a continuation of the Hebrew faith, is true, and is given by God. Islam is none of those. Islam did not advance our knowledge of God or our relationship with Him; it only detracted from both.


There is a difference between recognizing some amount of truth or accuracy in a theology and accepting it. I can recognize that Buddhists are correct when they say we should distance ourselves from this physical world and remove attachment to it without suggesting or stating that Buddhist theology is acceptable.


I think that perhaps your grasp of the history between Christendom and the Islamic world is lacking and that seems to be reflected in this statement. It isn't just a contemporary view as tied to terrorism and extremism to the point of oppression. It is a historical continuum view that reaches back to antiquity; the interactions between Christendom and the Islamic world have largely been Islamic conquest efforts, subjugation and reclamation efforts.

I can type two words into Google and be reminded that the Islamic descendants of 15th century Islamic invaders are still preventing me from worshiping in perhaps the grandest and most beautiful Basilica ever created.

You are contradicting yourself. if Christianity is a continuation for Judaism, then

1/ Why Judaism consider Christians idolaters and Pagan: note that Jews are not allowed even to cross the yard of a church
2/ what addition done by Christianity on Judaism

 

[Sakeenah]

Thank you very much. And your reply is one of the most clear replies I have ever heard. Detailed and exactly to the point [I am happy to wait even one month if I get such a nice answer]. God talks to Muslim though the Koran that makes sense. So Moses is special being talked to directly. Even Mohammed had Gabriel in between.

As Muslims we talk to God............But we don't believe that we can hear God's voice, and have a conversation
If I read correctly, this is true for ALL muslims, or are there some exceptions? Maybe Imaams or someone who leads a very devoted life [like monks living in monastry devoting all their time to God]?

A new important question I got. I read chapter 114. Nice short and quite easy to understand. It warns for someone who whispers. My interpretation is that it starts with a warning against your own mental thoughts in the first verses [maybe this is the verse why you said "Muslim can't hear God's voice"], but then the final verse 114:6 mentions "Djin and people". I guess Djin is the voice from within, and people is the voice from without. A very clear warning to watch out for what info is coming into your ears.


So suppose one has a different spiritual view than me. Some points can be even opposite. Should I then not talk to him [as to not shake my faith] or is it meant here, that when we talk, it should be with an open and honest attitude to learn from each others perspective and not with a sneaky attitude to get the other "into your religion" by trying to change his view. It should be by his own choice [not by instilling fear in him for hell or missing out on paradise]. Of course it goes both ways.

My most favourite is respectful sharing spiritual views and experiences and my least favourite is evangelizing. If I understand this chapter correct, I think a Muslim is here advised to not engage in evangelizing [I mean if Koran warns the Muslim for others evangelizing to him, he should also not do it to others]

Your welcome. We believe Moses is not the only prophet God spoke to. According to Islam God spoke to Adam in Paradise, and Muhammad during his night journey.

This is true for all Muslims including the Scholars and ubaad(dedicated worshippers).Those that are close to God in this life, will feel His nearness,love and guidance but they can't hear His voice.
Hearing God's voice and seeing God is something we experience in the hereafter.

Chapter 114 starts with mentioning 3 attributes of God : in the first verse it's lordship, the second verse it's
sovereignty and the third verse it's
divinity. These verses confirm that God is the Lord of everything, the King of everything and the God of everything. All things are
created by Him, owned by Him, and subservient to Him. Therefore, He commands whoever is seeking protection to seek refuge with the One Who has these attributes from the evil of the whisperer who withdraws( this is mentioned in verse 4). We believe that this whisperer is a shaitan(devil) that is assigned to each person, this can be the thoughts you are referring to. You can find the exegesis here:
Quran Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Home

Thhis verse is not about fearing people with different beliefs.
It's specifically talking about the whispers of shaitan and not people. As Muslims we should share our beliefs, but we can't force our beliefs on others ,and conversion should never be the intention. I think it's important to have respectful discussions because this creates understanding and respect. Hope this answers your questions.