What is in a name: Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?

[stvdv]

This verse is not about fearing people with different beliefs.
It's specifically talking about the whispers of shaitan and not people. As Muslims we should share our beliefs, but we can't force our beliefs on others ,and conversion should never be the intention. I think it's important to have respectful discussions because this creates understanding and respect. Hope this answers your questions.

Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my questions. These answers mean a lot to me. I read so much negativity about Islam, that I am glad to hear now the positive site of Islam. I like that much better.
Your answer again makes sense to me. Because I read "Djin + People" I got this thought of people. Maybe it was meant that all people must be careful for this whisper [but I will find that out in the link you provided; thanks for that; the link will help me to find other questions myself]
Very clear answer again; I like the way of sharing as per Islam, without intention to impose [very respectful].

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

note that Jews are not allowed even to cross the yard of a church

That's preposterous, of course they are. I've even seen some - *gasp!* - go inside a church.

They didn't even burst into flames.

 

[YmirGF]

The Quran is also called Kalaamullah( the speech/ word of God). As Muslims we say that the Quran is one of the attributes of God.
What is meant by that is that God spoke the words of the Quran, which Gabriel heard from Him, and brought down to the Prophet (peace be upon him), and conveyed it to him.

Forgive me for barging in on your conversation with @stvdv but isn't your comment above the very definition of a partner/partnership? In theory, both the Archangel Gabriel and Muhammad worked in partnership with god to produce the Qur'an. Likewise, all so-called messengers are in an obvious partnership with their vision of god. Suggesting otherwise would indicate that "messengers" speak for themselves and have no real authority. Comments?

 

[Mister Emu]

You are contradicting yourself.

I don't think you quite understand what that means. Nothing I said invalidates another part of my argument.

if Christianity is a continuation for Judaism, then

1/ Why Judaism

I am, of course, speaking from my Christian perspective, which is the perspective the OP is questioning.

2/ what addition done by Christianity on Judaism

Christianity has expanded our knowledge of God and how He works in the world and in our lives. Christianity has opened the doors for a more full relationship with God.

 

[stvdv]

The subject of this thread is about theology not doctrine.

Just for your information the definition of "Christian Theology":

Christian Theology would be the "study of God" that is found in the Bible. This study would include all aspects of God, including such things as His: deity, nature, purpose, attributes, relationship to the world and other beings, and more.

I was focussing in my previous reply on this aspect of Theology. So your reply is therefore FALSE!!!

 

[Sakeenah]

Forgive me for barging in on your conversation with @stvdv but isn't your comment above the very definition of a partner/partnership? In theory, both the Archangel Gabriel and Muhammad worked in partnership with god to produce the Qur'an. Likewise, all so-called messengers are in an obvious partnership with their vision of god. Suggesting otherwise would indicate that "messengers" speak for themselves and have no real authority. Comments?

Forgive you?! How dare you comment on my post! Just joking, those are valid questions. I don't think it's the definition of partner/partnership.

According to Islam divine revelation is a communication between one that speaks,commands and gives(God), and another who is addressed, commanded, and receives( prophets/messengers).
Revelation is where God reveals whatever knowledge He wills to those whom He chooses to receive it. God gives this knowledge to them in order for them to convey it to whomever else He wishes. The messengers simply submitted to what they were commanded to do, and conveyed the message. This could be similar to a employer that sends a message(a command to complete a task) to one of his employees, and has to forward this to a different employee. These two employees are commanded to complete a task, they can't tell the employer to change the task. This is why I think it can't be called a partnership.

This is mentioned in the Quran:
say, (Oh Muhammad,) " it is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day. (10:15)

 

[YmirGF]

Forgive you?! How dare you comment on my post! Just joking, those are valid questions. I don't think it's the definition of partner/partnership.

According to Islam divine revelation is a communication between one that speaks,commands and gives(God), and another who is addressed, commanded, and receives( prophets/messengers).
Revelation is where God reveals whatever knowledge He wills to those whom He chooses to receive it. God gives this knowledge to them in order for them to convey it to whomever else He wishes. The messengers simply submitted to what they were commanded to do, and conveyed the message. This could be similar to a employer that sends a message(a command to complete a task) to one of his employees, and has to forward this to a different employee. These two employees are commanded to complete a task, they can't tell the employer to change the task. This is why I think it can't be called a partnership.

This is mentioned in the Quran:
say, (Oh Muhammad,) " it is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day. (10:15)

I initially gave you a funny 'like' but thought that was rude in the greater context of your post. I do understand what you are saying and have read several other explanations over the years. I get the intent, but no matter how one slices it, the "messengers" are a part of a "limited partnership", at the very least. Even a slave is in a form of partnership with their master, in a society that allowed slavery for the masses.

 

[Sakeenah]

I initially gave you a funny 'like' but thought that was rude in the greater context of your post. I do understand what you are saying and have read several other explanations over the years. I get the intent, but no matter how one slices it, the "messengers" are a part of a "limited partnership", at the very least. Even a slave is in a form of partnership with their master, in a society that allowed slavery for the masses.

I get your point, but I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[YmirGF]

I get your point, but I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this.

Works for me. Be well!

 

[Trailblazer]

What is in a name: Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?
Thoughts?

The reason is rather simple. Religious followers generally do not accept any Prophets that come after their Prophet, only those who preceded Him...
So for the same reason Jews do not accept Jesus or Muhammad or Baha'u'llah, Christians do not accept Muhammad or Baha'u'llah, and Muslims do not accept Baha'u'llah... But Christians accept Moses and Muslims accept Moses and Jesus.

All of these religious followers believe that their Prophet and their religion is the Only Way, that their Prophet is the last and final Prophet and that their religion is the last and final religion...

The Baha'i Faith is the only exception, because we believe there will be more Prophets and more religions in the future, throughout all of eternity.

 

[YmirGF]

The Baha'i Faith is the only exception, because we believe there will be more Prophets and more religions in the future, throughout all of eternity.

To be fair, beginning in a thousand years. The problem with this is that, by that time, humanity may well have outgrown their need for religion.

 

[stvdv]

To be fair, beginning in a thousand years. The problem with this is that, by that time, humanity may well have outgrown their need for religion.

IF "God" is allknowing AND IF He planned a messenger in 2850 then I won't be surprised He planned needy religions
[Not Hard proof, just Soft thinking]

 

[YmirGF]

IF "God" is allknowing AND IF He planned a messenger in 2850 then I won't be surprised He planned needy religions
[Not Hard proof, just Soft thinking]

Given how far we have come in the last 150 years it is genuinely difficult to imagine where we will in another 850 years.

 

[stvdv]

Given how far we have come in the last 150 years it is genuinely difficult to imagine where we will in another 850 years

Agreed. And taking into account the troubles we are in, we need a messenger-update way before 2850
[maybe this time a messenger for atheism-update, though Christians might be higher on His ToDo-list]

You are right, we have evolved so much, and looks to go exponential. Maybe we are all on Mars. Better send God our new address in time [post might take sometime]. Oke, it's definitely time for me to goto bed [01 at night in Holland now]. Mind gets all funny thoughts now.

 

[YmirGF]

Agreed. And taking into account the troubles we are in, we need a messenger-update way before 2850
[maybe this time a messenger for atheism-update, though Christians might be higher on His ToDo-list]

I'll run it by Jesus and God next Thursday before we tee off.

 

[stvdv]

difficult to imagine where we will in another 850 years

When prophets makes 1000 year claims and mostly not HARD facts but all interpretation [and changing over the years even]. I can't take those claims serious. IF I were God, I would do the same. What do these arrogant humans think that they can tell God when God will send His messengers.

 

[stvdv]

I'll run it by Jesus and God next Thursday before we tee off

You are aware you are on a religious forum, aren't you? Enough tea for all Christians+Muslims after this announcement
[I mean 1000 years for just a messenger OR 3 days for Jesus and God himself?]

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Why do we need to rely on prophets, again? Sitting around waiting for the next one is causing half the trouble, I'd say.

 

[Trailblazer]

To be fair, beginning in a thousand years. The problem with this is that, by that time, humanity may well have outgrown their need for religion.

With all due respect, there is no reason to think that humanity will ever outgrow its need for religion, since there is no evidence that indicates that humanity ever survived without religion. Moreover, statistical evidence indicates we are not headed in that direction, but rather in the opposite direction, and I believe that is the result of the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, which has lent a fresh impulse to religion.

Since the year 2000, religion has made a resurgence whereas atheism and agnosticism are on the decline.

Atheism was growing at a rate of 6.54% from 1910-2010 but dropped to a growth rate of 0.05% from 2000-2010. Agnosticism was growing at a rate of 5.45% from 1910-2010 but dropped to a growth rate of 0.32% from 2000-2010. That demonstrates that both atheism and agnosticism are on the decline but also that there are many more agnostics than atheists.

The growth rates of the Abrahamic religions from 1910-2010 were as follows: Judaism .11%, Christianity 1.32%, Islam 1.97%, and Baha’i Faith 3.54%.

From 2000-2010 Islam became the fastest growing religion (1.86 %) and the Baha’i Faith was the second fastest growing religion (1.72%).

The growth rates of the Baha’i Faith were higher than Islam from 1910 to 2010 because it includes the “formative age” of the Baha’i Faith (1921-1944) FOURTH PERIOD: THE INCEPTION OF THE FORMATIVE AGE OF THE BAHÁ’Í FAITH 1921–1944

Growth has slowed down since 2000 because the new Baha’i Faith goal is community building so the emphasis is not teaching the Faith.

Statistics from: Growth of religion - Wikipedia

 

[YmirGF]

With all due respect, there is no reason to think that humanity will ever outgrow its need for religion, since there is no evidence that indicates that humanity ever survived without religion. Moreover, statistical evidence indicates we are not headed in that direction, but rather in the opposite direction, and I believe that is the result of the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, which has lent a fresh impulse to religion.

Since the year 2000, religion has made a resurgence whereas atheism and agnosticism are on the decline.

Atheism was growing at a rate of 6.54% from 1910-2010 but dropped to a growth rate of 0.05% from 2000-2010. Agnosticism was growing at a rate of 5.45% from 1910-2010 but dropped to a growth rate of 0.32% from 2000-2010. That demonstrates that both atheism and agnosticism are on the decline but also that there are many more agnostics than atheists.

The growth rates of the Abrahamic religions from 1910-2010 were as follows: Judaism .11%, Christianity 1.32%, Islam 1.97%, and Baha’i Faith 3.54%.

From 2000-2010 Islam became the fastest growing religion (1.86 %) and the Baha’i Faith was the second fastest growing religion (1.72%).

The growth rates of the Baha’i Faith were higher than Islam from 1910 to 2010 because it includes the “formative age” of the Baha’i Faith (1921-1944) FOURTH PERIOD: THE INCEPTION OF THE FORMATIVE AGE OF THE BAHÁ’Í FAITH 1921–1944

Growth has slowed down since 2000 because the new Baha’i Faith goal is community building so the emphasis is not teaching the Faith.

Statistics from: Growth of religion - Wikipedia

I was trying to be optimistic for Pete's sake. BTW: Pointing at the huge growth numbers of the Baha'i faith is relatively meaningless when compared to Islam or Christianity. The Baha'i faith has virtually no followers compared to either Christianity or Islam and so almost any conversions will produce awesome, but highly misleading, results. 1.32% of 2 billion is around 26.4 million people. Likewise, Islam sports slightly less than 31-1/2 million new Muslims every year. There are only approximately 7 million Baha's on the planet so your growth rate will seem much higher than the others even though you are only averaging 250K per year. Facts are sobering things.