What is it with muslims and torture?

[Looncall]

no, as i undersdand this thread talking about in general muslims why torture even they had changed their old regim (libya), and if this torture belong to the religion it self . (Islam teach to torture)

Thank you, that is what I am interested in. Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

 

[Kerr]

of course any thing wrong it's not should not be excused , but a civil war it's like revenge between people .
, for me , the wrong begin when the west involve , this is the wrong that should not excused .
the west told that he want to bring freedom and democraty by how ? by a civil wars ? by stealing/controling their oil ?
the Iraq was seiged for 10 years for nuclear weapon , many reports talking about 1 million children dead acause of this seige , can you imagine that ?
the result of changing regim by force ,is civil war and terrorism.

I am just saying evil doesnt excuse evil. The west... I have my own reservations against those wars, mainly because I dont like wars in general. But I dont think that justifies torture or terrorism. One is too inhumane for my taste and the other it ruthless and kills a lot of innocent people (which happens in all wars, but terrorism may do it just to spread fear).

 

[Godobeyer]

Thank you, that is what I am interested in. Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

you miss up ,my sentence (Islam teach to torture) was for more explain not for admit that Islam teach to torture .
my point is if we count the crimes done by Muslims , and others done by non Muslims , you will shock that we are maybe the less degree .
the history tell us that the west had bad registery in this issue .
the occupations , the slavery , the ww1 ww2 , the other conflits that i told before , libya , Iraq ...etc

to be honest i am always pray that the west would not make a world war again in muslim countries because it's make more terrorism (notice that i am not against the defend for occupation) i am just against to kill civilian.
and it's could be the end of the human spicy if the west make war against each other (Russia vs West )

 

[Godobeyer]

I am just saying evil doesnt excuse evil. The west... I have my own reservations against those wars, mainly because I dont like wars in general. But I dont think that justifies torture or terrorism. One is too inhumane for my taste and the other it ruthless and kills a lot of innocent people (which happens in all wars, but terrorism may do it just to spread fear).

I am totaly agree with you , the evil should excuse evil , btw it's law in Islam.
look , for my opinion ,we are here study the consequences of the wars of the west against Muslims .
this is a video very simple exemple of the causes of the terrors and make more hate to the west .

I remeber when some one post it in the facebook , all the people start insulting the west on general (not only the soldiers) .
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For the religion , Islam never teach to torture or kill or abuse , if some muslims misuderstand the Islam or did not respect it (break the rules of Islam) it's called extremity .


for my opinion ,there are two kinds of extremity : one is made by the hate to the west, because of the crimes .
the second misunderstand or don't respect the Islam law .

 

[glanis]

bro its more like 'whats with christianity and torture,' they did hold humanity back 1000yrs

 

[Godobeyer]

I know that glanis, i just want to defind the cause which make the consequences of tortures and terrorism that made by some "Muslims".

let's compare between the occupation of Muslims to Christians and inverse along the history .
most of Muslims countries was occupated by Christians , and the Muslims occupated just part of spain (Andalous)

just in the last 50 years ago,we (Muslims) had our independant .
for exemple Algeria (my country) occupated for 130 years by France , and it's cost 1,5 million martyrs , 1.5 million mean now more than 10 millions.

the result west on general , built their modernity (that you live now in )from the fortune of the occupation (steal) and by the blood of the martyrs , which they defend for their land and honor .

 

[glanis]

yeah well id say they are in a sort of infancy, they may be an old religion but it seems they are going through the same phase the christian/catholics went through its just that because of technology and all its has a much greater potential to do damage

 

[glanis]

For the religion , Islam never teach to torture or kill or abuse , if some muslims misuderstand the Islam or did not respect it (break the rules of Islam) it's called extremity.

Im not being rude and i know that islam does teach love, respect and peace, but it does have its flaws they all do. The bible tells us to fight and die for gods sake, it tells us to never renounce your religion or you will go to hell and rather hold it high and die proud. Islam is they same i found this quote i dont know how accurate it is though, "Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
every religion has flaws,
i just started to read up and noticed the post

 

[Looncall]

I am totaly agree with you , the evil should excuse evil , btw it's law in Islam.
look , for my opinion ,we are here study the consequences of the wars of the west against Muslims .
this is a video very simple exemple of the causes of the terrors and make more hate to the west .

I remeber when some one post it in the facebook , all the people start insulting the west on general (not only the soldiers) .
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For the religion , Islam never teach to torture or kill or abuse , if some muslims misuderstand the Islam or did not respect it (break the rules of Islam) it's called extremity .


for my opinion ,there are two kinds of extremity : one is made by the hate to the west, because of the crimes .
the second misunderstand or don't respect the Islam law .

I don't buy this "the west did it" stuff. Muslim societies torture their own people and always have done. How is that the fault of the west? Nowadays, muslim societies have the example of other societies in which torture is not institutionalized, yet they don't change.

If islam is so great, why is it unable to change this? Why does cruelty seem to come with islam?

I see terrorism as a separate phenomenon from torture, with separate causes.

 

[Looncall]

bro its more like 'whats with christianity and torture,' they did hold humanity back 1000yrs

Sure, but muslims these days have a different example in view and are even less excusable. It is now known that torture is not needed for the proper functioning of a society, yet they are still at it.

 

[Godobeyer]

Im not being rude and i know that islam does teach love, respect and peace, but it does have its flaws they all do. The bible tells us to fight and die for gods sake, it tells us to never renounce your religion or you will go to hell and rather hold it high and die proud. Islam is they same i found this quote i dont know how accurate it is though, "Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
every religion has flaws,
i just started to read up and noticed the post

that verse of Quran talking about a treatemant failed between Muslims (in the past) , Disbelievers ,and the disbelievers whom failed it .


you can back just one verse , to understand the context
9-5

Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).



accautly i don't know from where you find this version of translations because it's seems to me had wrong end meaning .

this is the close meaning :
9-5
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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[Godobeyer]

I don't buy this "the west did it" stuff. Muslim societies torture their own people and always have done. How is that the fault of the west? Nowadays, muslim societies have the example of other societies in which torture is not institutionalized, yet they don't change.

the author of this thread said , why libyans kill each other , i told him because the west involve in it , exactly as the same exemple of Iraq .

for my opinion ,the torture is belong to the west more than muslims , because it's just occupated us and kill us by planes by the name of OIL and freedom .
the torture is stuck in muslims because of Media , your media (news channels,movies ...etc) is so strong .
which represent the all muslims are terroristes and the western people are angels .

If islam is so great, why is it unable to change this? Why does cruelty seem to come with islam?

cos' the media as i told , if the media represent the crimes that done by non-muslims as it's represent and showing the crimes that done by muslims ,that would be fair .

I see terrorism as a separate phenomenon from torture, with separate causes.

for my opinion the torture is the consequnce of Terrorism (extremity)