This one: what is the significance thereof?
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What is it with the Guns?
- Thread starter Mycroft
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Uh, the "they" in your post?
esmith
Veteran Member
What you seem to not understand or do not want to understand is that the US has heavily legislated laws against unlawful gun ownership, just not enforced unlawful gun ownership. Maybe if they enforced and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law it might be an effective deterrent to firearms related incidents. Look ****** (insert your word there) I am not ignoring the problem, all I am doing is ignoring the idiots call for more regulations that will not be enforced and will make little or no difference to the past and probably future acts of terrorism or mentally deficient persons obtaining a firearm that they are not legally allowed to purchase.
What we enthusiastically want is that non-US citizens stop trying to bring their ideas toward firearms to this country. We have enough problems dealing with our own brand of anti-firearm fanatics, they do not need your help.
I always liked the classic Walthers.I like guns. I mean, I also support legislation but that doesn't mean I don't like them.
For instance, this is without question the most gorgeous firearm ever constructed by human hands.
And of Lugers, the single greatest one ever made is this one;
I would kill all of you to have this one.
Timothy Bryce
Active Member
Never said you were.
I said you've completely overlooked the example I gave several times in this thread.
Keep name calling though; I'm sure you'll go far.
We couldn't. Safe was in the garage one floor down on the other side of a big farmhouse. If we heard something from downstairs we all had fire ladders (the portable ones) that we were trained to use. I'd still rather do that personally.
dust1n
Zindīq
I don't know. I've shot plenty of guns in my life. Never once did it feel like freedom to me. Felt sort of boring, except for the skeet.
dust1n
Zindīq
Not that I don't support people having guns, or whatever, but I never really got this argument at all.
There is no ban or law that criminals would comply with..., but when has that ever been the sole validation for why one wouldn't should ban something?
dust1n
Zindīq
Not if the supply of meat was the same... I mean, maybe in the sense that the overwhelming majority of population can't really engage in hunting...
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I didn't know that anyone presented it as such.
Who is a "fanatic" to you, esmith? Anyone who wants any of the few existing regulations? More regulations? At what point do you call someone a "fanatic"?
Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
If a bad guy wants to shoot you, he wll
Lol no. But then they wouldn't comply with any kind of ban. Besides, most of these mass shootings and whatever aren't caused by 'bad guys', they're caused by mentally ill people who wouldn't otherwise have access to dangerous firearms if there was a ban.
You mean to say we shouldn't have any rights. Will big bro take good care of us?[/QUOTE]
No....Dagon will.
Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
Hunters also have the habit (for the most part) of eating everything they hunt. I think hunting things yourself leads to a certain sense of moral and pragmatic responsibility which is not replicated in a market environment. This doesn't apply to yahoo sport hunters, but they aren't most hunters I've ever known.
It is true that our very largepopulation could not survive from hunting and foraging. But it is also true that we could hunt or forage much more than we do without fear of environmental collapse.
Regardless of the rights issues or any other rhetoric... If the supermarket runs out of food it's the difference between you eating and starving. If a crisis occurs it is the difference between your property being looted and not. (They'll just move on to easier picking...) If violence gets so bad you have to leave your home you can only carry so much food, but you can carry a good amount of bullets to get more. You trust your government with your life? Well, I don't... I mean generally they are going to do the right thing, but if it ever happens that they cannot control the scene then it's only prudent to be prepared...
Ask yourself these questions:
1) Can you hunt?
2) Can you fish?
3) Can you grow plants?
4) Do you know how to prepare animals for cooking?
5) Do you know how to use bow, gun, and fishing equipment?
6) Which of these methods can you obtain with no documentation? (For most of the USA, that's bows... It's possible someone can read a gun registry.)
7) Which caliber of bullets are the most likely for you to find outside of your home in an emergency?
8) Can you successfully use any of these methods to provide food?
9) Are you aware of the edible plants in your area for use in the cases where you cannot have the time to grow?
10) Are you more useful generally than an infant if you haven't got any of this down when you really need it?
Can't do or know any of this? Get ready to get Darwined... History, if it means anything, doesn't favor people who don't know how to live without being completely dependent on others. If you can take down a few squirrels and rabbits, and know how to forage you might just live. Smaller animals are easier to claim with shotguns or .22 than bows, but you should have some idea how to use both. Mastery is not required, but some practice will yield some meals..
So that being said... Do you want to suckle at the teat forever or become a self-sufficient individual? At least then you have a choice as to whether you live or die...
Ask yourself these questions:
1) Can you hunt?
2) Can you fish?
3) Can you grow plants?
4) Do you know how to prepare animals for cooking?
5) Do you know how to use bow, gun, and fishing equipment?
6) Which of these methods can you obtain with no documentation? (For most of the USA, that's bows... It's possible someone can read a gun registry.)
7) Which caliber of bullets are the most likely for you to find outside of your home in an emergency?
8) Can you successfully use any of these methods to provide food?
9) Are you aware of the edible plants in your area for use in the cases where you cannot have the time to grow?
10) Are you more useful generally than an infant if you haven't got any of this down when you really need it?
Can't do or know any of this? Get ready to get Darwined... History, if it means anything, doesn't favor people who don't know how to live without being completely dependent on others. If you can take down a few squirrels and rabbits, and know how to forage you might just live. Smaller animals are easier to claim with shotguns or .22 than bows, but you should have some idea how to use both. Mastery is not required, but some practice will yield some meals..
So that being said... Do you want to suckle at the teat forever or become a self-sufficient individual? At least then you have a choice as to whether you live or die...
It's significant because.....
- It protects gun ownership.
- It's an emblem of our tradition of gun ownership.
- It's #2.....that's pretty far up there. Only #1 is ahead of it.
esmith
Veteran Member
You seem to think I'm ignoring the problem...from your post:
That is the reason I got sharp with you. I am not ignoring the problem, you are just seeing the problem in a different light than me.
as far as insert name, I got you mixed up with a different poster and thought it lent a little humor to my post vice using the term Limey.
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esmith
Veteran Member
At the same point that some call us that are against imposing additional firearm laws.
Let's just enforce the existing laws on the books with the same fever that is being used to impose new laws that will not work and will not be enforced to the fullest extent of the just as the current ones are. Take a look at how plea deals are used in crimes committed with a firearm. How about a law that says that if you use a firearm in the commission of a crime it is a federal felony and carries a mandatory sentence that can not be plead down. Of course it will fill up our prison systems but it will take a lot of gang members off the street, along with a few other problems that gets one the equivalent of a slap on the wrist. . How about taking a serious look on how the mental health issue is handled in this country.
esmith
Veteran Member
Wish you would check the data before you make a statement. If one has a mental health issue and it is recorded in the data base used for background checks that person can not purchase a firearm.
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esmith
Veteran Member
Was in the local gun store looking for a replacement for my concealed carry and the below was sitting in the display case. They only wanted $600 for it. Other than it was out of my price range it wouldn't have worked for what I wanted. Now that is a work of art.
S&W 1911 Officers Model
S&W 1911 Officers Model