What is it with the Guns?

[Timothy Bryce]

You seem to think I'm ignoring the problem...from your post:
That is the reason I got sharp with you. I am not ignoring the problem, you are just seeing the problem in a different light than me.
as far as insert name, I got you mixed up with a different poster and thought it lent a little humor to my post vice using the term Limey.

What I've claimed you've been ignoring:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia

 

[Poisonshady313]

Lol no. But then they wouldn't comply with any kind of ban. Besides, most of these mass shootings and whatever aren't caused by 'bad guys', they're caused by mentally ill people who wouldn't otherwise have access to dangerous firearms if there was a ban.

Columbine happened during a federal assault weapons ban.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

So that being said... Do you want to suckle at the teat forever or become a self-sufficient individual? At least then you have a choice as to whether you live or die...

Honestly? It's easier to shop at Tesco.

 

[Mycroft]

Wish you would check the data before you make a statement. If one has a mental health issue and it is recorded in the data base used for background checks that person can not purchase a firearm.

That doesn't necessarily work out: http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/11/18/...-cases-go-undiagnosed-in-teens/4561384814937/

 

[Father Heathen]

Honestly? It's easier to shop at Tesco.

He's not saying to cease shopping, but rather that it's wise to have basic survival skills in case of emergency situations where government cannot immediately be relied upon to supply aid and maintain order.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

He's not saying to cease shopping, but rather that it's wise to have basic survival skills in case of emergency situations where government cannot immediately be relied upon to supply aid and maintain order.

I live in an urban area so there are no wild animals to hunt for food, and guns are illegal here anyway. Apart from stocking up on cans of baked beans I'm not really sure what I'd do.

 

[Revoltingest]

Columbine happened during a federal assault weapons ban.

We never actually had a ban.
There were brief restrictions upon manufacturing some magazines & look-alikes, but sales of pre-ban guns actually increased.
And sales restrictions (not a full prohibition) on actual assault rifles date back to 1934.

 

[Revoltingest]

I live in an urban area so there are no wild animals to hunt for food, and guns are illegal here anyway. Apart from stocking up on cans of baked beans I'm not really sure what I'd do.

You could stock up on chili, stews & soups too.

 

[Revoltingest]

He's not saying to cease shopping, but rather that it's wise to have basic survival skills in case of emergency situations where government cannot immediately be relied upon to supply aid and maintain order.

Aye, as we've seen in the cases where rioters attack others, the cops are loath to intervene quickly.
I recall a riot here in my town....I think it was over a football game loss.....
Students were smashing windows, beating & robbing people.
The City ended up abandoning emergency vehicles as they fled the scene.
One cannot trust government to protect us.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You could stock up on chili, stews & soups too.

Ideally I would like to stock up on ice-cream, but then if the electricity supply fails it will all melt............

 

[Revoltingest]

Ideally I would like to stock up on ice-cream, but then if the electricity supply fails it will all melt............

See.....zombie apocalypse or insurrection, one must plan carefully.
I'm going to get Spam too.

 

[esmith]

What I've claimed you've been ignoring:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia

Yes, I'm ignoring them because this is basically firearm confiscation and ban on certain weapons.which I and many others do not want to see here. Also your new laws and laws in other countries do not really seem to be doing what they were intended to do.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/
in addition from: http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/guns-in-other-countries/

You see I can present facts that directly counter what those here in the US are attempting to put forward. Now let's look at the US statistics. Which the anti-gun crowd will not tell you....especially certain politicians.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

What say you now.

 

[BSM1]

You carry your gun with you to the supermarket? To pick the kids up from school? To work? To the gym? Do you take it with you when you go for drinks with friends? Thanksgiving with the parents etc?

What about that chick and her cameraman who got shot while they were filming. The gun laws really worked out for them.

I personally knew that "chick". Her name was Alison. And, like it or not, we have crazies who can legally obtain a weapon and criminals who can't; this is why I am armed and my children are armed. I would not want to go through what her parents are going through without knowing that I did all I could to keep them safe.

 

[Mindmaster]

Honestly? It's easier to shop at Tesco.

It certainly is, but it's not the point. Most of the people who are anti-gun are also just anti-survival whether they know it or not. For example, OK you hate guns... Why can't you use a bow? Better yet... Let's ban those too since they are highly effective at killing people then knives, and then we can ban hammers and baseball bats. When that's too much we can ban rocks and cut off our hands because we can kill people with those too!

All the bans do is shift the implement used to a different category and any truly intelligent person can see this. People have been killing people throughout our existence... Wishful thinking isn't going to stop that, but being prepared for that fact may... Historically, it has been the most peaceful cultures that have suffered the most at the hands of violent actors and nothing is going to change that.

 

[Father Heathen]

I live in an urban area so there are no wild animals to hunt for food, and guns are illegal here anyway. Apart from stocking up on cans of baked beans I'm not really sure what I'd do.

Well, in such a situation I would pack whatever was useful and that I could carry and try to leave and distance myself from densely populated areas. Unless you would rather to fend off any desperate and hungry crowds after your beans.

 

[dust1n]

I didn't know that anyone presented it as such.

Um? I guess I entirely missed the meaning of your post then.

 

[Father Heathen]

Aye, as we've seen in the cases where rioters attack others, the cops are loath to intervene quickly.
I recall a riot here in my town....I think it was over a football game loss.....
Students were smashing windows, beating & robbing people.
The City ended up abandoning emergency vehicles as they fled the scene.
One cannot trust government to protect us.

Don't forget the potential effect that natural disasters can have, like Katrina.

 

[dust1n]

Hunters also have the habit (for the most part) of eating everything they hunt.

What? And slaughterhouses just kill a cow, cut off a steak, and drop the rest in the trash?

I've never seen a hunter make soap from fat, or fertilizer from bones, or stock from antlers.

I think hunting things yourself leads to a certain sense of moral and pragmatic responsibility which is not replicated in a market environment. This doesn't apply to yahoo sport hunters, but they aren't most hunters I've ever known.

It is true that our very largepopulation could not survive from hunting and foraging. But it is also true that we could hunt or forage much more than we do without fear of environmental collapse.

I generally agree, although it's pretty easy to shoot a gun from a moral and pragmatic position. I never got a sense that shooting a deer and than having someone else entirely process the dear to be much of a moral or pragmatic position at all, really.

 

[BSM1]

I don't know. I've shot plenty of guns in my life. Never once did it feel like freedom to me. Felt sort of boring, except for the skeet.

And I truly hope you, your children, and your children's children never have to understand my statement.

 

[BSM1]

Was in the local gun store looking for a replacement for my concealed carry and the below was sitting in the display case. They only wanted $600 for it. Other than it was out of my price range it wouldn't have worked for what I wanted. Now that is a work of art.


S&W 1911 Officers Model

Let's not forget his big brother.