What is it with the Guns?

[BSM1]

Vietnam?

Era.

 

[dust1n]

Era.

In country?

 

[Poisonshady313]

We never actually had a ban.
There were brief restrictions upon manufacturing some magazines & look-alikes, but sales of pre-ban guns actually increased.
And sales restrictions (not a full prohibition) on actual assault rifles date back to 1934.

Right. But it was called a ban, and it's the same sort of "ban" people are calling for today. It would be as meaningless and ineffective now as it was back then.

 

[Father Heathen]

You don't have freedom though. Its just that you've convinced yourself that the social construct of owning a gun around you constitutes "freedom".

"The notion of standing is an illusion." said the one on his knees.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Spoken like a true Capitalist.

No, it was political satire actually.

 

[MARCELLO]

Guns are the insufficient part of our beings ,very barbarian and subcultured.

 

[BSM1]

In country?

Never made it in country (too busy chasing Russians in the Mediterranean). To be honest, i joined to keep from being drafted. After I got in and really saw what a fiasco that "war" was, the only reason I would have gone in country was to protect my shipmates (remember we were all very young and impressionable).

 

[BSM1]

No, it was political satire actually.

British humour, ya gotta love it.

 

[dust1n]

Never made it in country (too busy chasing Russians in the Mediterranean). To be honest, i joined to keep from being drafted. After I got in and really saw what a fiasco that "war" was, the only reason I would have gone in country was to protect my shipmates (remember we were all very young and impressionable).

Was curious. I have no particular hopes that something similar would happen to myself or my children, etc. I'd be fine fighting for my freedom is need be.

 

[BSM1]

Was curious. I have no particular hopes that something similar would happen to myself or my children, etc. I'd be fine fighting for my freedom is need be.

Not to sound to paranoid, but people tend to forget how easily and quickly even our basic liberties can be threatened or curtailed. We all have to decide if there is anything in this life worth dying for.

 

[dust1n]

Not to sound to paranoid, but people tend to forget how easily and quickly even our basic liberties can be threatened or curtailed. We all have to decide if there is anything in this life worth dying for.

'Tis true. Although, it seems to me that our basic liberties are more so threatened or curtailed during instances of fighting external enemies. Even, if say, America got rid of the first amendment, I feel it would be best to try everything I can other than violence to secure such a right back. Violence is something I reserve for self-preservation, and the immediate preservation of others. Fighting a revolution would hopefully be the last recourse in very dire circumstances.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Yes, I'm ignoring them because this is basically firearm confiscation and ban on certain weapons.which I and many others do not want to see here. Also your new laws and laws in other countries do not really seem to be doing what they were intended to do.

Yes, they do. I actually can't believe you, and one of the articles you posted, actually cite statistics that indicate how both gun violence and crime rates have fallen as a result of the measures taken in Australia while trying to simultaneously discredit the conclusions they point to.

Everyone except for creepy gun nuts can see this clearly.

You've also just stated that you'll wilfully ignore and contest any measures that may be undertaken in the interests of public safety for no other reason than your personal fascination with guns. Pretty sick position to hold on this issue.

 

[Mycroft]

I personally knew that "chick". Her name was Alison. And, like it or not, we have crazies who can legally obtain a weapon and criminals who can't; this is why I am armed and my children are armed. I would not want to go through what her parents are going through without knowing that I did all I could to keep them safe.

I'm pretty sure Alison probably owned a gun, too. But that didn't do any favours when a crazy shot her dead while she was at work.

My point is that you wont have your gun 24/7. You wont have your gun in your place of work. And anyone who actually intends to shoot you dead will know that, and will choose to shoot you dead on the many occasions when you wont have access to your gun. Like when you're at work, or your kids are at school.

Guns offer zero protection against someone premeditating to shoot you. Zero.

 

[Mycroft]

Hunters also have the habit (for the most part) of eating everything they hunt. I think hunting things yourself leads to a certain sense of moral and pragmatic responsibility which is not replicated in a market environment. This doesn't apply to yahoo sport hunters, but they aren't most hunters I've ever known.

It is true that our very largepopulation could not survive from hunting and foraging. But it is also true that we could hunt or forage much more than we do without fear of environmental collapse.

But you don't need to hunt. Hunting is no longer necessary for maintaining a good life, and hasn't been since the agricultural revolution. And even if hunting was necessary, the whole gun-love thing is completely irrelevant to that. Hunting is just used as another pithy excuse for gun-lovin'.

 

[Mycroft]

You don't have freedom though. Its just that you've convinced yourself that the social construct of owning a gun around you constitutes "freedom".

For once we agree on something! It must be nearly Christmas!

 

[Politesse]

But you don't need to hunt. Hunting is no longer necessary for maintaining a good life, and hasn't been since the agricultural revolution. And even if hunting was necessary, the whole gun-love thing is completely irrelevant to that. Hunting is just used as another pithy excuse for gun-lovin'.

I don't love guns...

 

[Mycroft]

I don't love guns...

I was being general, rather than specific to you. Apologies for any confusion.

 

[esmith]

But you don't need to hunt. Hunting is no longer necessary for maintaining a good life, and hasn't been since the agricultural revolution. And even if hunting was necessary, the whole gun-love thing is completely irrelevant to that. Hunting is just used as another pithy excuse for gun-lovin'.

Tell that to those that live in Alaska
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=subsistence.hunting
Also Canada
http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=2362a881-d2fe-4988-8fa1-7676c9465cae

 

[metis]

But you don't need to hunt. Hunting is no longer necessary for maintaining a good life, and hasn't been since the agricultural revolution. And even if hunting was necessary, the whole gun-love thing is completely irrelevant to that. Hunting is just used as another pithy excuse for gun-lovin'.

In Judaism, hunting is not allowed unless one's health is at stake, largely because it is considered inhumane slaughter and sadistic (i.e. killing for fun).

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Here we go again....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/u...y-urges-students-to-get-gun-permits.html?_r=1