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What Is Justice?
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doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
That's only a part of it. There's no difference between "justice" and the "appearance of justice" (or the "image of justice" as Willamena would say). So "justice" is an extension of the will to power - the exertion of one's power to assert their will in social reality. Justice for some is a public defender and a foregone conclusion. Justice for others might be so great that they are for all practical purposes immune to most of the legal constraints of their civilization.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If the idea of justice is merely an illusion, wouldn't that mean that the idea of injustice is also an illusion?
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Sure you would. But does that matter if the former still dies in prison and the latter gets away with murder? Both are the product of the "justice system" that, by definition, turns out justice as its product - regardless of whether that justice is a product of individuals' will to power. Your own assessment is an extension of your own will to power. You have whatever influence you can muster (by money, authority, moral reasoning, or even maybe even physical might) to impose your assessment of the justice of a situation and make that assessment manifest in social reality. But if you cannot do so, then your assessment is not the "just" result.
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doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Illusions are real things. That's what makes them illusions. If some believe there is a "justice" that is not an illusion, then the illusion of justice manifests as reality. It's only when nobody thinks it's real that it stops being an illusion.
BucephalusBB
ABACABB
For me justice is control. A set of rules to make sure unjustice doesn't happen. This means justice can change, where you needed to cut of a hand for stealing, taking away money now is sufficient (perhaps).
Personal injustice is unmeasurable. If anybody killed your brother, there is no way of justice. Only revenge in the hope the victim will feel better. The only real justice would be getting your brother back, wich is impossible, so you can come to taking his life, but that wouldn't take away the injustice. Neither does taking his brothers life. So to make sure it does not happen in the first place, we humans made up justice
Personal injustice is unmeasurable. If anybody killed your brother, there is no way of justice. Only revenge in the hope the victim will feel better. The only real justice would be getting your brother back, wich is impossible, so you can come to taking his life, but that wouldn't take away the injustice. Neither does taking his brothers life. So to make sure it does not happen in the first place, we humans made up justice
Joy Christ
Member
At present, being un just as a group, congress and mob is encouragaged, promoted, rewarded and protected. Ill justice will stop when it is truly scene as the monster that it is, and it is no longer encouraged, but dis couraged. When true crime, or the actual root of evil is no longer desired, preached, raised up, worshipped, rewarded and protected, then ill justice will die.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
A better way to do what? "Better ways" are another tool of individuals' will to power. They are rhetorical chits played in the game of manipulating social reality.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
I think everyone thinks they are working for the betterment of all. And therefore, in each of their own little universes, they are.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
As I said, I think it's an ideal to strive for and some do. I just don't think it's achievable.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
doppelgänger;1305188 said:
And what in your universe do you believe is the proper approach to injustice? Sure, morality/justice, etc. are not absolute, but at the same time we can't allow people like child molesters to prey with impunity.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
OK. What does the ideal look like to you?
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Same as everyone else. Assess "justice" and "injustice" under the taint of my own self-interest, and try to manifest that assessment in reality. . . will to power.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Equality for everyone.