What is Mind?

[Willamena]

But I have a harder time believing that consciousness is an emergent property, myself.

Why's that?

 

[Storm]

It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Quagmire]

"What is Mind?"

In my case; a nag, a nuisance, and a know-it-all.

 

[crystalonyx]

Consiousness is like a switch, turned on when the brain is active, turned off when unconcious or dead.

 

[sandandfoam]

Consiousness is like a switch, turned on when the brain is active, turned off when unconcious or dead.

Is it?
What's consciousness?

 

[crystalonyx]

Is it?
What's consciousness?

From the dictionary:

1.the state of being conscious; awareness of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc.

 

[sandandfoam]

From the dictionary:

1.the state of being conscious; awareness of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc.

The dictionary def. does not suffice to explain the phenomena we refer to as consciousness in my view.
Consciousness is way way more than that one liner.
I was just curious what you think it is.

 

[logician]

The dictionary def. does not suffice to explain the phenomena we refer to as consciousness in my view.
Consciousness is way way more than that one liner.
I was just curious what you think it is.

ACtually, that one liner seems to cover it, I think you're trying to make something out of consciousness that it isn't.

 

[sandandfoam]

ACtually, that one liner seems to cover it, I think you're trying to make something out of consciousness that it isn't.

From the biological psychology textbook From cells to consciousness -
"The explanation of consciousness is one of the major unsolved problems of science...."
I'll drop them a line and tell them to have a look at a dictionary

 

[crystalonyx]

From the biological psychology textbook From cells to consciousness -
"The explanation of consciousness is one of the major unsolved problems of science...."
I'll drop them a line and tell them to have a look at a dictionary

You seem to be trying to add a mystical component to consciousness unproven to exist, consciousness may well be able to be reproduced in AI, in robot technology, the jury is still out on this one.

 

[sandandfoam]

You seem to be trying to add a mystical component to consciousness unproven to exist, consciousness may well be able to be reproduced in AI, in robot technology, the jury is still out on this one.

The only way we can know if someone is conscious is for them to tell us. Maybe it can be reproduced but it seems to me that given our current knowledge of consciousness is so limited, this is a long, long way off. If ever. We haven't even found neural correlates of consciousness.
And back to mind. Is mind interchangeable with consciousness ? Unconscious perception for example has an effect on behaviour and emotion.
If I am trying to add a mystical component I am not consciously doing so (if you'll pardon the wording) my point is that the definitive statement to which I originally responded is not a fact. Definitive statements cannot be made at this time regarding consciousness or the mind because we don't know.
My own view for what it's worth is taken from Chalmers. I think consciousness is an irreducible feature of the Universe, like space, time or mass. I don't think it will ever be understood in terms of anything else.

 

[crystalonyx]

The only way we can know if someone is conscious is for them to tell us. Maybe it can be reproduced but it seems to me that given our current knowledge of consciousness is so limited, this is a long, long way off. If ever. We haven't even found neural correlates of consciousness.
And back to mind. Is mind interchangeable with consciousness ? Unconscious perception for example has an effect on behaviour and emotion.
If I am trying to add a mystical component I am not consciously doing so (if you'll pardon the wording) my point is that the definitive statement to which I originally responded is not a fact. Definitive statements cannot be made at this time regarding consciousness or the mind because we don't know.
My own view for what it's worth is taken from Chalmers. I think consciousness is an irreducible feature of the Universe, like space, time or mass. I don't think it will ever be understood in terms of anything else.

Problems I see ares that AI is still in its infancy, and robot technology is not as far along in some areas as was forecast decades ago, and research on the brain in regards to consciousness studies is still limited. Much research remains to be done, but I think an understanding of consciousness is coming down the pike.

 

[Willamena]

There is a movie coming out this year that will be very interesting along the lines of 'What is consciousness?'

It's called Wall-E. Wall-E is a robot, left on his own for 700 odd years after mankind leaves, and although he was only programmed for repetitive work (building walls) he's become conscious.

I'm looking forward to it.

Edit: My expectations could be a bit high for the storyline, but we'll see.

 

[Magic Man]

There is a movie coming out this year that will be very interesting along the lines of 'What is consciousness?'

It's called Wall-E. Wall-E is a robot, left on his own for 700 odd years after mankind leaves, and although he was only programmed for repetitive work (building walls) he's become conscious.

I'm looking forward to it.

Edit: My expectations could be a bit high for the storyline, but we'll see.

It sounds interesting, but I'm sure it'll be very superficial, not dealing with the subject as we are trying to here. That is, assuming it's a hollywood movie. If not, it could be done well.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Sunstone,
Till now scientifically mind has not been understood but religious texts have mentioned mind as seperate to the brain.
What I understand from the very little I may know is that what lives after death is the mind, the brain is left behind. The mind is what carries our karma life after life.
Love & rgds

 

[crystalonyx]

Friend Sunstone,
Till now scientifically mind has not been understood but religious texts have mentioned mind as seperate to the brain.
What I understand from the very little I may know is that what lives after death is the mind, the brain is left behind. The mind is what carries our karma life after life.
Love & rgds

The brain controls the mind, w/o the brain, the mind dies.

 

[sandandfoam]

The brain controls the mind, w/o the brain, the mind dies.

This is a point of view held by many but not a fact.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Crystalonyx,
Stephenw has answered that for you; however like to add that the response is a personal view which need not be accepted by others but surely is one which is recognised by meditators anywhere.
Love & rgds

 

[crystalonyx]

Friend Crystalonyx,
Stephenw has answered that for you; however like to add that the response is a personal view which need not be accepted by others but surely is one which is recognised by meditators anywhere.
Love & rgds

I don't believe I would want to be a disembodied mind.

End up sorta like Nixon on Futurama.

 

[Magic Man]

Friend Crystalonyx,
Stephenw has answered that for you; however like to add that the response is a personal view which need not be accepted by others but surely is one which is recognised by meditators anywhere.
Love & rgds

Isn't every response really just a personal view not necessarily to be accepted by others?