Rolling_Stone
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Mind is the technique of unifying divergence.
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What is Mind?
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Troublemane
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As it would appear. However,this opinion fails to take into account OBE's, out of body experiences.
This statement, worded as it is, implies a mind as a distinct thing from the brain, capable of being dependent upon the brain.
logician
Well-Known Member
The brain is nothing but an organ generating small electric charges, the mind is the outcome of that process.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends,
The debate can go on; as scientificallly there is no proof however those who wish to go by what meditators globally have understood [ as they have transcedended the mind itself] state that mind is a seperate entity and basically of what remains after death is this mind or coded energy if I may call it which meditators have found leaving a dying person as a blue light.
The journey carries on birth after birth till ............... one achieves nirvana.
my own understanding matches with this as few times have found that I am somewhere means the mind has moved out and not in sync with the body. The body is not aware of the mind. Some waking trigger brings the mind instantaneously back to the body.
Love & rgds
The debate can go on; as scientificallly there is no proof however those who wish to go by what meditators globally have understood [ as they have transcedended the mind itself] state that mind is a seperate entity and basically of what remains after death is this mind or coded energy if I may call it which meditators have found leaving a dying person as a blue light.
The journey carries on birth after birth till ............... one achieves nirvana.
my own understanding matches with this as few times have found that I am somewhere means the mind has moved out and not in sync with the body. The body is not aware of the mind. Some waking trigger brings the mind instantaneously back to the body.
Love & rgds
crystalonyx
Well-Known Member
I don't believe anyone has ever shown that the mind is separate from the body.
Just so; distinct things.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I agree, but do you think that the mind exists inside of the human body, or does it transcend that?
crystalonyx
Well-Known Member
One cannot separate the outcome from the process, they are completely intertwined, if there is a problem with the brain, there is a problem with the mind.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
So, they are distinct things with one being completely dependent on the other. Just as the tires on my car do nothing for me, if I don't have a working steering wheel.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
:yes:
But, I would say, each is dependent on the other. Just as the wheels are no good without the steering wheel, the reverse is true as well.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I thought about that aspect as well, but I wasn't sure that the brain was completely dependent on the mind. Animals have brains, but do they have a "mind" as we think of it? A person in a vegetative state has a brain without a working mind, but the brain still controls the body's functions.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
The question of sapience is another matter, but I would say some animals undoubtedly posess minds (most, if not all mammals, for example). Additionally, the mind seems to be based on complexity, specifically that of the brain.
But only the automatic ones. They cannot sustain life (by eating, etc) naturally.
ETA: Just for clarification, I'm not arguing that the brain is completely dependent on the mind. I'm arguing that they're interdependent.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I understand, but I'm just making the distinction between the brain's functions. I breathe without using my mind. That leads me to the conclusion that the brain is not dependent on the mind at all. If I didn't have a mind, I would still breathe, and perform other necessary bodily functions. (Actually I'm a perfect example as I can attest to doing these things without a mind.
) Of course, this all depends on your definition of mind anyway. When I think of mind, I think of the ability to reason, which isn't necessary to eat or drink.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
For me, it would include psyche and spirit, as detailed upthread.I understand, but I'm just making the distinction between the brain's functions. I breathe without using my mind. That leads me to the conclusion that the brain is not dependent on the mind at all. If I didn't have a mind, I would still breathe, and perform other necessary bodily functions. (Actually I'm a perfect example as I can attest to doing these things without a mind.
Of course, this all depends on your definition of mind anyway. When I think of mind, I think of the ability to reason, which isn't necessary to eat or drink.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Well, I definitely don't think the brain depends on either of those, but maybe that's just my opinion.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
I think it depends on them for direction, while they depend on it (and rhys) for existence.Well, I definitely don't think the brain depends on either of those, but maybe that's just my opinion.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Right, but the brain doesn't depend on them for existence. And the direction the brain gets from these things isn't necessary to sustain life.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Exactly. Apologies if that was unclear.
Of course it is. Stavation may be a slow process, but eating is required to sustain life. The fact that we can force it to be done without the mind in no way changes that.