Depends on his reason for doing that and what he finds down there, no?
Is this faith?
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What is more important for the future well-being of humankind: Faith or Reason?
- Thread starter Jeremiah
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He's auditioning for the part of a bicycle rack in a play.Depends on his reason for doing that and what he finds down there, no?
Unless, of course, it's hope for something ordinarily beyond reach .... like the future.
gnomon
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strikeviperMKII
Well-Known Member
It remained the same, did it not? So it is still faith.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
We humans being social animals have innate empathy and compassion. Caring for one another is an essential part of our emotional and psychological health and also a survival trait. Doing what's in our nature has nothing to do with faith. There is nothing mysterious or magical about it.
waitasec
Veteran Member
you mean faith bridges the gap between the here and now to the future because the future is unseen...?
hmmm.
but we hope for a future...we just take it for granted that the future will come because of faith.
faith is like waiting for tomorrow...
Faith in this context is trusting that tomorrow will fulfill our hopeful expectations, whether those be that tomorrow is better than today, or even just that tomorrow will arrive.
waitasec
Veteran Member
hope is the desire that tomorrow will fulfill our expectations and that tomorrow may hopefully arrive.
otherwise the confidence placed in this trust becomes presumptuous
so does having faith mean being disposed to assumption?
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Faith: I know tomorrow will be great.
Reason: I hope tomorrow will be great. It has usually turned out that way.
Revoltifarianism: I just need to get thru today. Tomorrow always takes care of itself.
Reason: I hope tomorrow will be great. It has usually turned out that way.
Revoltifarianism: I just need to get thru today. Tomorrow always takes care of itself.
Right.
How so?
It can. Trust is a predisposition. When I trust that you'll understand, I'm predisposed to the belief that you will.
ellenjanuary
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waitasec
Veteran Member
because it's the degree of emphasis or level of confidence placed in trust doesn't make it trust anymore, it makes it a presumption
so what if i don't understand? wouldn't your trust become presumptuous?
it can if we both agree that when it's -10 degrees F outside, it gets pretty nippy. i trust you that'll you understand why i want to wear a jacket based on evidence that we both agree how cold it is outside. would you call that presumptuous? i wouldn't (i don't think, i'm so confused).
all i know is that in a few hours i know i am going to be very full because i have always been very full after a thanksgiving meal, is that presumptuous of me?
but then again, a few hours from now, no one really knows what will happen...
so maybe that is being presumptuous...
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I'm sorry, I don't see a statement of faith in that post. Could you point it out to me?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Your last sentence is wrong, and I don't see any justification for it in that post.
strikeviperMKII
Well-Known Member
Did I say it was mysterious or magical? Stop trying to make faith something it isn't.
mayacrisol
Member
who says faith has to be without reason?:areyoucra
strikeviperMKII
Well-Known Member
People who are creating a false dichotomy.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Self-reasoning is not reason.
I could reason to myself that Hitler is still alive riding a Dragon to Valhalla with reasoning but to you i'd be a lunatic.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
The definition of each.