What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

[Humanistheart]

I don't remember, specifically but I remember commenting to a wonderful LDS that I was suprised when I felt the holy spirit when I read, although I STILL interpreted the Godhead from a Trinitarian perspective.

And that is all I have to say.

You don't believe in the mormon doctine then, but you feel the spirit when you read it. I think this demonstraights well feeling the spirit is a natural, phycological reaction, not one of spirituality.

 

[dawny0826]

You don't believe in the mormon doctine then, but you feel the spirit when you read it. I think this demonstraights well feeling the spirit is a natural, phycological reaction, not one of spirituality.

I believe that Mormon/LDS doctrine has a special purpose and has brought many to Christ. As such, I don't feel compelled to discredit it. I may not agree with it all but that doesn't matter much to me. I share similar beliefs with Latter Day Saints as well.

I'm comfortable accepting my experience as a spiritual experience. If you disagree, that's fine with me.

 

[Humanistheart]

I believe that Mormon/LDS doctrine has a special purpose and has brought many to Christ. As such, I don't feel compelled to discredit it. I may not agree with it all but that doesn't matter much to me. I share similar beliefs with Latter Day Saints as well.

I'm comfortable accepting my experience as a spiritual experience. If you disagree, that's fine with me.

How nice for you, but as your not making an argument and this is in a debate section, I'll ask, why not stick to your original assertion and say no more to the topic, as you claimed you would in your previous post. You know what we call people who say one thing and do another right? Well, in some cases we call them prophets or christs so that last bit might be a bad example, lol.

 

[dawny0826]

How nice for you, but as your not making an argument and this is in a debate section, I'll ask, why not stick to your original assertion and say no more to the topic, as you claimed you would in your previous post. You know what we call people who say one thing and do another right? Well, in some cases we call them prophets or christs so that last bit might be a bad example, lol.

Sure. I'm leaving now...

 

[Jeremiah]

While admitedly the abrahamic faiths are a roadblock of religion, this thread is concerned with a religion that claims to be part of that tradition, so it's quite apt.

You made a totally off the wall, off topic comment about my AV and now you plead the context of the thread?

 

[Humanistheart]

You made a totally off the wall, off topic comment about my AV and now you plead the context of the thread?

I suggest you look up the definition of the word 'plead'. However, your poor choice in words not with standing, you do have a point. Back to the OP, and the oddities of the book of mormon.

 

[Jeremiah]

I suggest you look up the definition of the word 'plead'. However, your poor choice in words not with standing, you do have a point. Back to the OP, and the oddities of the book of mormon.

"I suggest you look up the definition of the word 'plead'."

OK...

To offer reasons for or against something; argue earnestly: plead against a bill.
To provide an argument or appeal:

plead: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com

 

[linwood]

While admitedly the abrahamic faiths are a roadblock of religion, this thread is concerned with a religion that claims to be part of that tradition, so it's quite apt.

Not at all apt within the context of the exchange between you and Jeremiah concerning his avatar.

I thought atheists were supposed to be at the very least intellectually honest to a point.

 

[Humanistheart]

Not at all apt within the context of the exchange between you and Jeremiah concerning his avatar.

I thought atheists were supposed to be at the very least intellectually honest to a point.

First of all, this issue was already addressed and put to bed. I see that the avatar comment would have been better suited as a private post so as not to disturb the progression of this thread. Second of all you are over generalizing athiests, understandably as the majority of athiests (who just don't care about religion) do not get active writing books and what not, nor do they spend much if any time on sites such as this. And lastly, honesty is subjective. A person on a lie detector test could say something that is completely wrong, but if he or she thinks its right, the test will not detect a lie, as one has not occured. Truth might have been a better word than honesty. Also I see you have none as your religion, so are you not in fact an athiest yourself?

Back to the topic, the book of mormon and it's many flaws.

 

[linwood]

And lastly, honesty is subjective

That`s become brutally apparent.

 

[Humanistheart]

That`s become brutally apparent.

Missed the point I see. I'd write back to the OP again but somehow I dont see that happening any time soon. Owell.

 

[linwood]

Missed the point I see..

Not at all.

You`re a shining example of subjective honesty.

You should be proud.

 

[Humanistheart]

Not at all.

You`re a shining example of subjective honesty.

You should be proud.

Yes, you definatly missed the point. And I'm glad I didn't write back to the OP yet again, Hmm, as I knew that wouldn't happen maybe that makes me a prophet! I guess it's time for me to write my own book and trick people into believing in it

 

[cardero]

The odd thing about the book of Mormon coming from a standpoint from an angel who was advised to restore the order of God’s organization and plan is that the book is not written to provide truths, answers or conclusions. In fact, the book asks you to provide more faith than most religions were requesting before. It really doesn't further the questions and inquiry of who GOD is and what his relationship is for humankind during the 19th century. For a book written more than 1500 years after the Bible in a more current setting, I expected a lot more from the authors and translators. If I was to compare the Book Of Mormon to the Bible, I would have no other analogy then to explain that the Book Of Mormon “feels” and "reads" like a direct-to-video animated Disney sequel.

 

[madhatter85]

Upon re-reading this I'm not sure what point, if any you're trying to make, and what defence of said point you think you've put forth.

Safety for the Soul

The bold and underlined parts are of the most relevance, but the rest is wonderful as well.

When Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum started for Carthage to face what they knew would be an imminent martyrdom, Hyrum read these words to comfort the heart of his brother: “Thou hast been faithful; wherefore . . . thou shalt be made strong, even unto the sitting down in the place which I have prepared in the mansions of my Father.
“And now I, Moroni, bid farewell . . . until we shall meet before the judgment-seat of Christ.”7
A few short verses from the 12th chapter of Ether in the Book of Mormon. Before closing the book, Hyrum turned down the corner of the page from which he had read, marking it as part of the everlasting testimony for which these two brothers were about to die. I hold in my hand that book, the very copy from which Hyrum read, the same corner of the page turned down, still visible. Later, when actually incarcerated in the jail, Joseph the Prophet turned to the guards who held him captive and bore a powerful testimony of the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon.8 Shortly thereafter pistol and ball would take the lives of these two testators.
As one of a thousand elements of my own testimony of the divinity of the Book of Mormon, I submit this as yet one more evidence of its truthfulness. In this their greatest—and last—hour of need, I ask you: would these men blaspheme before God by continuing to fix their lives, their honor, and their own search for eternal salvation on a book (and by implication a church and a ministry) they had fictitiously created out of whole cloth?
Never mind that their wives are about to be widows and their children fatherless. Never mind that their little band of followers will yet be “houseless, friendless and homeless” and that their children will leave footprints of blood across frozen rivers and an untamed prairie floor.9 Never mind that legions will die and other legions live declaring in the four quarters of this earth that they know the Book of Mormon and the Church which espouses it to be true. Disregard all of that, and tell me whether in this hour of death these two men would enter the presence of their Eternal Judge quoting from and finding solace in a book which, if not the very word of God, would brand them as imposters and charlatans until the end of time? They would not do that! They were willing to die rather than deny the divine origin and the eternal truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.
For 179 years this book has been examined and attacked, denied and deconstructed, targeted and torn apart like perhaps no other book in modern religious history—perhaps like no other book in any religious history. And still it stands. Failed theories about its origins have been born and parroted and have died—from Ethan Smith to Solomon Spaulding to deranged paranoid to cunning genius. None of these frankly pathetic answers for this book has ever withstood examination because there is no other answer than the one Joseph gave as its young unlearned translator. In this I stand with my own great-grandfather, who said simply enough, “No wicked man could write such a book as this; and no good man would write it, unless it were true and he were commanded of God to do so.

 

[Rogue Cardinal]

Regardless of whether Judas is a traitor, there is a big difference between betraying your master to his murderers and writing an uplifting and inspiring book. I would find it extremely odd and ironic if greed and desire for fame/glory were behind the Book of Mormon. You would have millions of people coming to Christ based on a deception. Now I would definitely find that odd.

Smith sure needed the money. After all his money digging venture got him in big trouble and he couldn't practice it anymore. HE asked his friends for money.....for the book of course. Lots of money has gone into the temples. Sure there are donations and such.....but we all know you can't have a church if you don't have sheep. Sheep with pockets are nice.

Please understand on Judas....if we take the Gnostic account....Judas is a hero. HE is asked to do the very hard task of ensuring Jesus IS captured. He is asked by Jesus in private to do this. Judas does NOT want to do this but he must for if he doesn't the prophesy cannot be fulfilled!!! Without Judas...Jesus lives! Can't have a resurrected Christ if he ain't dead yet! hehehe

But of course the NT treats Judas like a traitor simply because he is the guy that got Jesus caught.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

Smith sure needed the money. After all his money digging venture got him in big trouble and he couldn't practice it anymore. HE asked his friends for money.....for the book of course. Lots of money has gone into the temples. Sure there are donations and such.....but we all know you can't have a church if you don't have sheep. Sheep with pockets are nice.

Please understand on Judas....if we take the Gnostic account....Judas is a hero. HE is asked to do the very hard task of ensuring Jesus IS captured. He is asked by Jesus in private to do this. Judas does NOT want to do this but he must for if he doesn't the prophesy cannot be fulfilled!!! Without Judas...Jesus lives! Can't have a resurrected Christ if he ain't dead yet! hehehe

But of course the NT treats Judas like a traitor simply because he is the guy that got Jesus caught.

Wow, very interesting. It's certainly possible. I would much prefer this account to the one in the Bible.

 

[Rogue Cardinal]

Wow, very interesting. It's certainly possible. I would much prefer this account to the one in the Bible.

Well that's the bloody brilliant thing.

The Dead Sea Scroll stuff is NEAT to read.

There is also a book that discusses the childhood of Jesus. Very wild stuff. But again this all goes back to the fact that there were TONS of writings at the time. You have to remember the Bible was canonized in order to make it more harmonious.....certain books were left out. Again it was VERY common for back stories to be written up to explain further things that people wanted to know more about. Which logically leads someone like to me to think how much of the stuff that actually made it into the bible is like that. I can make a brilliant case for the entire resurrection story being very false.

 

[zomg]

If I was to compare the Book Of Mormon to the Bible, I would have no other analogy then to explain that the Book Of Mormon “feels” and "reads" like a direct-to-video animated Disney sequel.

More like a Blu Ray edition of a previously released movie, packed with extra features

 

[betchamad]

Mormons are pagans,their book which wrote God is living in some star like a alien is totally ridiculous