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Oh. You don't believe "everything" with no evidence, only stuff your religion claims? For your ordinary life you require evidence, but not for this one area?
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What is odd about the Book of Mormon?
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DavyCrocket2003
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That's about it.:yes:
DavyCrocket2003
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Just kidding. It's more like trust. If you believe the Book of Mormon, you believe the things it teaches. So if you have evidence that convinces you personally that the Book of Mormon is true, you have evidence that what it claims is also true. If we didn't believe what the Book of Mormon taught, we wouldn't really be able to believe any of it would we.
Rogue Cardinal
Devil's Advocate
Not really.....I'm only asserting what we CAN assert. IF there is no reason one way or the other to believe one way or the other why believe one way or the other. I'm fence riding!Touche. My point is just as absurd as your point. However, I'd assume he rehashed a lot of sermons because the Bible contains all we need to know about salvation. Remember?
IS it? Is faith really just believing without evidence or is it like so many religious folks do.....writing in wre there is no evidence so that you can justify your belief?...pssst...that's what faith IS.
And I don't believe everything that is lacking in evidence. Nice try
For example....I can understand why you might have faith in say God. How did we get here adn all that jazz. It an answer to a question. But IS it the answer? You take it on faith.
On the other hand if we say Jesus did X.....and there is nothing in the BOM or Bible...or anything to suggest it.....are we taking it on faith or are we just writing what we want to believe so that we may believe it? IS that faith or intellectual dishonesty? I know what I think it is.
Rogue Cardinal
Devil's Advocate
You are walking a tight rope here. We have thought a lot of things over time that indeed were not true.
You say you have evidence the book of mormon is true. I can argue that I have evidence that every religion rings true to some degree. IF that's the case which one do we pick? have you studied all the other religions? If not how do you believe your evidence that what you believe is the right evidence and the most accurate? It is possible that some other religion has a lot more to offer and is a lot better but you just haven't studied that religion.
DavyCrocket2003
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It's hypothesizing. It's theorizing what could have been a likely scenario.On the other hand if we say Jesus did X.....and there is nothing in the BOM or Bible...or anything to suggest it.....are we taking it on faith or are we just writing what we want to believe so that we may believe it? IS that faith or intellectual dishonesty? I know what I think it is.
Rogue Cardinal
Devil's Advocate
Based on what evidence? If you have no reason to think X.....why think it? Unless of course you have to so that you may buttress your belief.
I can hypothesize that JEsus was married and use Jewish tradition and law of the time to support it. But what woudl be the point? Thre is nothing at all to suggest that he WAS married.
DavyCrocket2003
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Agreed. I find it amazing that truth can be found in so many diverse places. It strengthens my belief.
That is one reason I study other religions, so I can gain more knowledge. I also want to be able to understand people better. I try not to judge people and come to conclusions about them without trying to understand them. The amazing thing is that most people have a really good reason for the things the really believe. And we usually have a lot more in common than is apparent on the surface.
You have a good understanding of religion it would appear. They all have aspects of truth and goodness in them. So who am I to say mine is true and all the others are false? Why is mine the right one when there are so many other good ones out there? It's a combination of faith and logic (I know some will shudder at that phrase
). You see, it is by faith that I have a belief in God. It is by faith that I believe in Jesus Christ. It is by faith that I believe the words of the prophets in the Bible. My logical mind asks, why would God have stopped sending prophets to the earth? There were always prophets sent to the people in Biblical times, why not now? Why do no more angels appear to man? Why has revelation ceased? If God is the same yesterday today and forever, where are the miracles? Where? Joseph claimed to be a prophet. Is he? You're familiar with his story of the Book of Mormon. Is it true? Important question. One that to you seems an obvious no. For me, I can't see how anyone who believes in Christ could not believe the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon is emphatically true IMO. You can figure out the logical ramifications of that conclusion.
DavyCrocket2003
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I don't know. Maybe you just wish you knew more and liked imagining possibilities. Can't you think of reasons someone would want to theorize about the lives of their heros?
Autodidact
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What is the evidence that convinces you that the BoM is true?
Autodidact
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Davy: Were you born into a Mormon family?
DavyCrocket2003
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I can't describe it adequately. It's like asking the guy from Plato's Allegory of the Cave to explain what daylight is.
Autodidact
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Then it's not evidence, is it?
DavyCrocket2003
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Yes, I was. Were you?
DavyCrocket2003
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I suppose it depends on your definition. Auto, how do you know that you exist?
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I aim to misbehave!
I have enough evidence for my religious beliefs. This evidence may not be enough for some people. It is for me
Autodidact
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No, I'm Jewish.
Now, do you think it's a pure coincidence that since you were a young child you were told that the BoM is true, holy scripture and that you now believe that, while children who are told over and over that the quran is true holy scripture grow up to believe that? Or do you think there might be some causal connection there?
Autodidact
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What? Are you saying that I have no evidence for my own existence? Do you really want me to start laying out the evidence that I exist? Just for starters, you're welcome to come look.
You want a definition of "evidence?" For starters, it should be accessible to anyone who cares to look. Ineffable, "I can't explain it to you," is not evidence. Do you disagree?
Autodidact
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I have enough evidence for my religious beliefs. This evidence may not be enough for some people. It is for me
Is it the same degree of evidence you would use in some other area of your life, such as medicine or a court of law? Or do you use a completely different, lower standard for religious beliefs?
What if the exact same amount of evidence exists for a completely different set of religious beliefs, would you then believe that?
DavyCrocket2003
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Of course. As a human, our default beliefs are usually those of our parents.
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