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What is the Alt-Right?

निताइ dasa

Nitai's servant's servant
You're in denial about Bannon, I'm sure more of his alt right views will come out, his whole website is a conduit for alt right philosophy, you actually believe that is not his idea????

Perhaps in the future if he gives his stance, I shall make a judgement. Right now its sounding awfully close to a conspiracy theory to me.

Another really important thing that has to be understood, I think, is that the alt right has a collection of ideologies that overlap with conservative ones. One of these is the opposition political correctness and the advocacy of free speech as a fundamental right. These ideologies are however are not that controversial nowdays. Other ideologies (such as the want for racial segregation etc) is something that does not overlap with traditional conservative ideas and can be seen as exclusive to the alt right. This overlap in ideologies obviously means that a conservative station like Breitbart will draw that audience. Just like left extremists (I'm thinking communists here) will be more likely to follow stations which are left leaning and appeal to the overlap in ideologies. It doesn't follow however that the stations endorse or are responsible for all other views of their followers. Talking about Trump for example. Certain of his policies (such as stricter immigration laws) can draw in extremist fringe groups who shares these policies, and that is why perhaps groups like the KKK have endorsed him. It doesn't however follow that Trump necessarily supports all the ideas of the KKK. Hopefully you understand my reasoning. I mean, I could proclaim myself a racist, but that does that mean the people whom I support or admire are also racists?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
To the best of my understanding, the alt-right seems to be a subset of conservatism that focuses on the notion that traditional European-American values, traditions and ways of life are inherently worth fighting for, and that fears "too much" cultural interpolinization.

It seems also to tend to want stricted laws and more enforcement of distinctions of treatment based on nationality. Right there it loses any sympathy I might have for them - which was not much to begin with.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
From what I've seen, "alt-right" tends to be conservatives who are hard leaning, more overt with their prejudices, yet aren't of the religious fundamentalist variety.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Just because extremist groups say they support Trump (they too have the freedom of speech) does not mean that Trump supports them.

I agree. Trump is doing an admirable job showing his lack of support for extremists. Case in point: Steve Bannon. Making a white supremacist your chief strategist and special counsel says "I disavow extremism" like nothing else does.
 

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
I agree. Trump is doing an admirable job showing his lack of support for extremists. Case in point: Steve Bannon. Making a white supremacist your chief strategist and special counsel says "I disavow extremism" like nothing else does.

Why don't we wait until everything is actually in place before we start passing judgment based off knee jerk reactions. I suspect many changes will happen over the next 2 months.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Yeah, lets just sit back and let a neo nazi decide the future of our government, sound logic there............
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Dave Bryson of evolvefest turned the events fb page to preach the alt right philosophy . We started a boycott and got it shut down.
 

JakofHearts

2 Tim 1.7
The term "Alt-Right" was barely in existence before August this year, and then coincidentally after Hillary label's half of the Americans that support Trump as a "basket of deplorables and irredeemable", the alt-right became a new thing to fuel the liberals hatred, because we all know how tolerant and kind liberals are.

Judging from the trends on Google searches on the Alt-Right it would be fair to say that it was used as a ploy by the Democratic party to intimidate and demonize Hillary's opponents and Trump supporters, a tactic straight out of Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals. Unfortunately for the DNC it didn't resonate with the majority of Americans.

Interestingly from a sociological standpoint is that it has been taken on full stride on campuses around America revealing basically a new generation of conservatives. They tend to align with the right-wing but are typically younger and have a different value system from the older, stereotypical conservatives. They usually reject social conservatism and the 'evangelical' wing of the Republican party, and aren't concerned with issues like gay marriage, marijuana, or abortion. With spokemans like Milo Yiannopoulos, the Alt-Right are self-titling themselves as the mischievous, dissident, hell-raisers - the rebels of homogeneous systems, and they favour fiscal conservative policy and don't think very highly of groups like SJWs, Black Lives Matter, feminists, or radical Muslims.

And since the liberals are now focusing their hatred on Steve Bannon is a good indicator that he's a swell guy. :)
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Just because extremist groups say they support Trump (they too have the freedom of speech) does not mean that Trump supports them.

The issue is not whether or not Trump supports these views.

The issue is that we don't know. How do we not know for certain what Trump's view are at this stage?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
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:rolleyes:
Has anyone found any shred of evidence (other than repeated insults by Democrats) that Bannon is actually a white supremacist?
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Has anyone found any shred of evidence (other than repeated insults by Democrats) that Bannon is actually a white supremacist?

Are you blind, you obviously haven't been reading the links we provided on Bannon, his own employees vouched for how racist and anti semite he was.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Are you blind....
Not so blind as to let a dingo steal my baby!
......you obviously haven't been reading the links we provided on Bannon, his own employees vouched for how racist and anti semite he was.
I've yet to see a link supporting the claim.
I notice you didn't provide any just now.....just the insistence that they exist somewhere.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Not so blind as to let a dingo steal my baby!

I've yet to see a link supporting the claim.
I notice you didn't provide any just now.....just the insistence that they exist somewhere.

Don't play dumb with me, I provided three links about Bannon's white supremacist ties, you can go back and read them.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
You're in denial about Bannon, I'm sure more of his alt right views will come out, his whole website is a conduit for alt right philosophy, you actually believe that is not his idea????
I've never really come across Bannon before, so, like @निताइ dasa I'll have to wait and see on this one. I certainly wouldn't give into the unparralled fear-mongering of the alt-left. To me, this is the face of the Alt-Right.

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Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
There is no such thing as the alt left, you just made it up.
 

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
There is no such thing as the alt left, you just made it up.

The Alt Left would be the ones that are using the symbol for anarchy while smashing business and car windows, setting cars on fire, throwing bottles and rocks at the police, and chanting "not my President," all because their candidate lost an election. They are anti-government (other than their view of it), anti-Republican, and prone to violence.

The peaceful protesters do not fall into the Alt Left category.
 
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