What is the Alt-Right?

[Lyndon]

That would make you not into democracy because you're not a democrat.

 

[Revoltingest]

That would make you not into democracy because you're not a democrat.

I prefer a constitutional republic.

 

[Lyndon]

Then you should be a Republican, not a Libertarian.

 

[Lyndon]

In Australia, the conservative party is called the liberals, that makes them liberal by your definition, no??

 

[Revoltingest]

Then you should be a Republican, not a Libertarian.

I'm not into etymological determinism.
Republicans are too theocratic, too big government, to into policing the world, too....well, you get the picture.

Back to Hitler....
He chose the socialist labor because he wanted control over the means of production....& over everything else.

 

[Revoltingest]

In Australia, the conservative party is called the liberals, that makes them liberal by your definition, no??

Now you're mixing the different definitions of the word, ie, N Americastanian v Eurostanian.
I actually identify as a "liberal" also, but of the classical (Jeffersonian) variety.
RF doesn't recognize this flavor, & mistakenly equates it with "conservative".
So I stick solely to "libertarian" here.
(They get that definition wrong too, but that's for another thread.)

 

[Lyndon]

Hitler was not a socialist, you're not a liberal, either.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hitler was not a socialist, you're not a liberal, either.

Wrongo pongo....on bothereeno!
(Please excuse my harsh language.)

For your edification....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

 

[Lyndon]

Members of the liberal, socialist, and communist opposition were killed, imprisoned, or exiled.

from; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

Hitler was not a socialist, he killed the socialists......

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od...r-a-Socialist-Debunking-a-Historical-Myth.htm

 

[Revoltingest]

Members of the liberal, socialist, and communist opposition were killed, imprisoned, or exiled.

from; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

Hitler was not a socialist, he killed the socialists......

To kill one's own kind doesn't mean one doesn't belong.
Stalin, Pol Pot & Mao killed even more of their own.

 

[Lyndon]

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od...r-a-Socialist-Debunking-a-Historical-Myth.htm

 

[निताइ dasa]

its interesting actually... the communists burned down the Reichstag (German Lower Parliament House) during Hitler's time which he then used as an excuse to ban all communists, effectively giving the Nazis control of the lower house. There is a moral to be learnt here I think.

 

[Revoltingest]

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od...r-a-Socialist-Debunking-a-Historical-Myth.htm

From your own linked article......

At this point ‘National Socialism’ was a confused mishmash of ideas with multiple proponents, arguing for nationalism, anti-Semitism, and yes, some socialism.

 

[Lyndon]

From your own linked article......

you didn't read the article very well, that quote was referring to the party before Hitler joined it, this is what the article says about Hitler;

Not only was Hitler not a socialist himself, nor a communist, but he actually hated these ideologies and did his utmost to eradicate them. At first this involved organizing bands of thugs to attack socialists in the street, but grew into invading Russia, in part to enslave the population and earn ‘living ‘ room for Germans, and in part to wipe out communism and ‘Bolshevism’

 

[Milton Platt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

Just another extremist group using the internet to preach its message of hate.

Kind of like alt-delete, but for your brain????

 

[Revoltingest]

you didn't read the article very well, that quote was referring to the party before Hitler joined it, this is what the article says about Hitler;

Not only was Hitler not a socialist himself, nor a communist, but he actually hated these ideologies and did his utmost to eradicate them. At first this involved organizing bands of thugs to attack socialists in the street, but grew into invading Russia, in part to enslave the population and earn ‘living ‘ room for Germans, and in part to wipe out communism and ‘Bolshevism’

If I didn't read it, then how did I find the part about Hitler's socialism?

 

[Lyndon]

Its called skimming, not reading, and it wasn't Hitler's socialism it was the socialist elements in the National Socialist party before Hitler joined it, you didn't read that part either.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's in the name so it must be, eh?

Of course it takes more than just a name.
There was Hitler's control of the economy.

So the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is definitely democratic and not disguising it's inner functions then?

I do wonder how it got its name.

Where do you see Hitler wanting to transfer the means of production to the workers? I don't see that anywhere.

As with other socialist countries, the control of the means of production is by the community, which is represented by the singular party in control, which is in turn controlled by the leader.

Hitler was pretty open about his red baiting.

He did indeed hate other socialists.
This shouldn't be surprising.
In fighting is the most severe kind.
Consider the various divisions of Islam....the fighting is most vicious when they're of the same faith.

Still doubting it?
I took the liberty of going to /r/nationalsocialism on reddit and seeing what the neo-nazi's will tell you.

I don't see "neo" Nazis as the same as Hitler's Nazis

Unless you have something to show me otherwise.

I've nothing else to show.

 

[निताइ dasa]

Guys come on. Hitler's policies had socialist and nationalist tendencies hence the name.

No doubt, he hated the class based socialism and communism but his policies were sort of an amalgam of both nationalist and socialism values. Socialism policies included free healthcare for all members, huge government projects, control of economy from a government level and gun control laws (which eventually resulted in jewish people losing their guns). It was socialism actually, with a nationalistic twist. Why is everyone trying to distance themselves from Hitler? He was a horrible person yes, and his policies did lead to one of the greatest atrocities humans have ever seen. That being said, many of his other policies did work, and helped Germany greatly recover from the depression and loss of WW1.

source: studied Nazi Germany in high school.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Stephen Bannon (who will soon be a major "strategy advisor" for Trump) boasted that Breitbart (which he's Chairman of) is "the platform for the alt-right"). If you look closely, what it seems to be is, as defined by the NY Times, "mostly young men who believe in white supremacy; oppose immigration, feminism and multiculturalism; and delight in harassing Jews, Muslims and other vulnerable groups by spewing shocking insults on social media."

Yeah, I think we know who they are. And the US President is going to be taking strategic advice tainted by that? You poor people. Our poor (soon to be sorrier) world. !