What is the definition of a "Woman"?

[Dogknox20]

Looks like the state of Utah has a specific political agenda and the Judge does not!

Guitar's Cry NOT political agenda just plain old LOGIC!

I suppose you are all for a person born male to compete in woman sports?!
All the female contestants are complaining "Not Fair"!

Guitar's Cry I just wish they asked the Judge "Are you a woman"? And then "How do you know"?!

 

[Dogknox20]

Looks like the state of Utah has a specific political agenda and the Judge does not!

Political agenda?
Guitar's Cry I add... It is very clear the socialist are the people with a specific political agenda!
Plain old LOGIC tells us a person born one gender cannot change to another gender! The Males competing in woman sports are living proof!

 

[Dogknox20]

Well if your married to a women then you know marriage is a compromise and you have to let some things go or you will be getting divorced pretty fast.

I'll add its called true love but its the most conditional love on the planet.

Bill Starr Love is: Giving of yourself to another person! It is a cost of letting go of self.. Satan cannot love, he hates; he is selfish!

Giving of your self is much like Christ did, he took our place in death so we could live forever!

 

[night912]

That’s Bruce Jenner acting like a women.

That’s Bruce Jenner acting like a women.

Sorry, but I already pointed out and explained why you're not qualified to determine whether or not a person is acting.

BTW,
You acting as if you have the actual ability to read people's minds does not mean that you are actually capable of doing it.

 

[night912]

Political agenda?
Guitar's Cry I add... It is very clear the socialist are the people with a specific political agenda!
Plain old LOGIC tells us a person born one gender cannot change to another gender! The Males competing in woman sports are living proof!

That's not what logic tells us. And you using sports to support your argument turned out to actually be a disservice to your argument. Women sports is a great demonstration of a person that was born a one gender and later changes to a different gender.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Guitar's Cry NOT political agenda just plain old LOGIC!

I suppose you are all for a person born male to compete in woman sports?!
All the female contestants are complaining "Not Fair"!

Guitar's Cry I just wish they asked the Judge "Are you a woman"? And then "How do you know"?!

Then logically show how asking the judge this purportedly innocuous question everyone should be able to answer isn't politically motivated.

Why did they ask the question?

Political agenda?
Guitar's Cry I add... It is very clear the socialist are the people with a specific political agenda!
Plain old LOGIC tells us a person born one gender cannot change to another gender! The Males competing in woman sports are living proof!

Oh no: SOCIALISTS! Quick, check under the beds! I hear they're everywhere!

For the record, I am okay with genderless categories for sports as long as the competitive abilities add up.

I know plenty of cisgendered women who could outperform me in their chosen athletics.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I was just making the point that what goes on inside of your head does not determine your sexual biology.

What goes on inside your head is biology. That brain isn't in there for decoration!

Adopting culturally specific themes considered feminient does not make you a woman. Lots of men do this and they are still men

Why not?

Social conventions are just that: conventions. They change over time. The only reason there are markets for pink powerdrills specifically for women (despite being the same darn tool) is because gender is a social construct separate from biology, and related only through nurturing the open learning system of our non-decorative brains.

 

[Dogknox20]

Then logically show how asking the judge this purportedly innocuous question everyone should be able to answer isn't politically motivated.

Why did they ask the question?



Oh no: SOCIALISTS! Quick, check under the beds! I hear they're everywhere!

For the record, I am okay with genderless categories for sports as long as the competitive abilities add up.

I know plenty of cisgendered women who could outperform me in their chosen athletics.

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Guitar's Cry Why did they ask the question? Simple answer is; To see just how politically motivated she was!
A person with half a brain knows what a woman is! She refused to answer because of Politics! She would not be towing the Socialists agenda if she answered!
The Socialists' want all peoples treated the same... EXCEPT for those in power!
Socialisms is the first step towards Communism!

 

[Dogknox20]

That's not what logic tells us. And you using sports to support your argument turned out to actually be a disservice to your argument. Women sports is a great demonstration of a person that was born a one gender and later changes to a different gender.

Woman's sports should be a competition between equals! The scales are skewed with Transgender competitors!

 

[VoidCat]

I decided to revisit this thread to see how long it's gotten and imma unwatch it after but damn 22 pages. Also @Dogknox20
Im not a socialist or communist. My gender isnt some socialist plot. But I am transgender tho. Hi

 

[Guitar's Cry]

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Guitar's Cry Why did they ask the question? Simple answer is; To see just how politically motivated she was!
A person with half a brain knows what a woman is! She refused to answer because of Politics!

So it was a politically-motivated question! Makes sense why she didn't answer.

She would not be towing the Socialists agenda if she answered!
The Socialists' want all peoples treated the same... EXCEPT for those in power!
Socialisms is the first step towards Communism!

Yeah, cause our current political parties aren't all about having separate standards for those in power already...

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That's not even the question. Would it be kind to let a boy think he's a girl when he isn't?...is a better question. Why would anyone encourage that?

You might actually investigate the story of Nicole Maines, who was once known as Wyatt, the twin brother of Jonas. Identical twins -- one who was always convinced he was a girl, the other just as much a boy. And they were once identical twin brothers, and are now brother and sister.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

There are states (Utah for one) that are passing laws that transgender males at birth cannot compete in female sports!

Question "What is a woman!"?

I don’t believe that they should separate athletes by gender but by ability. The person is the woman, the gonads are not.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

When you or I become clown fish, we can discuss this. Right now, we are human.

Fine. Look up Tiresias or Arjun. Those were humans who switched genders at some point.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Fine. Look up Tiresias or Arjun. Those were humans who switched genders at some point.

I am aware of a figure in Greek mythology named Tiresias. But also a character named Medusa. I do not believe anyone had snakes for hair and do not believe anyone changed sex. These are mythology. Mythology is fiction. Unless you live in a fantasy world.

 

[ppp]

I am aware of a figure in Greek mythology named Tiresias. But also a character named Medusa. I do not believe anyone had snakes for hair and do not believe anyone changed sex. These are mythology. Mythology is fiction. Unless you live in a fantasy world.

Do you even know what your arguing at this point?

 

[Kfox]

What goes on inside your head is biology. That brain isn't in there for decoration!

The brain is biological, but it does not determine your biology. If you disagree, explain how this is possible

Why not?

The same reason a black man who prefers country music, & NASCAR, does not become white; or a white man who prefers Hip-hop & Rap music does not become black; even though there are those who subjectively claim specific races should prefer specific things over other things. Those people are just wrong.
By the same token; those who have subjectively determined specific preferences are for women only, and other preferences are for men only are just as wrong. Subjective preferences do not make you a man or woman.

 

[Kfox]

I don’t believe that they should separate athletes by gender but by ability.

If that were the case, there would be no women in professional sports.

 

[ppp]

The brain is biological, but it does not determine your biology. If you disagree, explain how this is possible


The same reason a black man who prefers country music, & NASCAR, does not become white; or a white man who prefers Hip-hop & Rap music does not become black; even though there are those who subjectively claim specific races should prefer specific things over other things. Those people are just wrong.
By the same token; those who have subjectively determined specific preferences are for women only, and other preferences are for men only are just as wrong. Subjective preferences do not make you a man or woman.

Your analogy is broken. Race is an entirely cultural phenomenon that is imposed by society. If you super secretly change a baby's skin color at birth and place them with a family of the similar pigmentation if no one knows to treat them as their original phenotype then they will live is that phenotype unknowing.

Whereas if you do the same with a baby sex organs then you will get dysmorphia at the same rate as the cis/trans ratio.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Woman's sports should be a competition between equals! The scales are skewed with Transgender competitors!

If everyone were equal there wouldn’t be a winner.