What is the evidence for and against the validity of astrology

[Muffled]

Many bushes and trees that have thorns produce good fruit? Also we can't know if anything assigned to Jesus was actually said by him, since not one word was written about him until decades after the alleged events. There are no contemporary accounts, so I'd be inclined to take such biblical claims with a pinch of salt.

I believe you can't be sure but I believe I am sure.

 

[ppp]

I believe i did not invent the idea.

Irrelevant. Your belief that God is good is still completely arbitrary and self-serving.

 

[Muffled]

You don't think that people born in any month can be despised and rejected and have sorrow and grief? Kind of a universal thing during everyones life at some point?

No I would not say that because planets can also be an indication.

However I don't see that as a characterization of John the Baptist who was known for baptizing in water and born in the opposite sign of Jesus that would be Cancer which is a water sign.

 

[joelr]

No I would not say that because planets can also be an indication.

So you are saying that if someone is despised and rejected and has sorrow and grief then if their birth matches the correct planets then you can blame the planets? But for everyone else then it's a random thing?

However I don't see that as a characterization of John the Baptist who was known for baptizing in water and born in the opposite sign of Jesus that would be Cancer which is a water sign.

A sign predicts people will be in water? So every single Navy officer or enlisted for the full career tour, every cruise ship worker, swimmer, lifeguard, fisherman, diver, and so on will match the water sign?
That should be easy to confirm or debunk.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Many bushes and trees that have thorns produce good fruit? Also we can't know if anything assigned to Jesus was actually said by him, since not one word was written about him until decades after the alleged events. There are no contemporary accounts, so I'd be inclined to take such biblical claims with a pinch of salt.

I believe you can't be sure but I believe I am sure.

Yes your assertions do suggest you are very closed minded on this topic, nevertheless the biblical claims of what Jesus did or did not say or do, are naught but unevidenced hearsay. Thus your claim to be sure is naught but unevidenced hyperbole. In much the same way you chose to ignore the facts and evidence that demonstrate unequivocally that astrology is pure hokum. Such claims are meaningless obviously.

 

[Muffled]

So you are saying that if someone is despised and rejected and has sorrow and grief then if their birth matches the correct planets then you can blame the planets? But for everyone else then it's a random thing?




A sign predicts people will be in water? So every single Navy officer or enlisted for the full career tour, every cruise ship worker, swimmer, lifeguard, fisherman, diver, and so on will match the water sign?
That should be easy to confirm or debunk.

Planets can't do anything to people. Everyone has the Planet Saturn which is the ruling planet of Capricorn. Everyone will suffer something at some point in their life. Maybe if we could get rid of the planet suffering would end, lol. "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, / But in ourselves - Julius Caesar by Shakespeare.

I believe you will tire me out. Does everyone baptize in the Jordan river as a signature of their life?

 

[Muffled]

Yes your assertions do suggest you are very closed minded on this topic, nevertheless the biblical claims of what Jesus did or did not say or do, are naught but unevidenced hearsay. Thus your claim to be sure is naught but unevidenced hyperbole. In much the same way you chose to ignore the facts and evidence that demonstrate unequivocally that astrology is pure hokum. Such claims are meaningless obviously.

I believe as far as I can tell everything but science is unevidenced in you opinion which means that your view is myopic.

 

[joelr]

Planets can't do anything to people. Everyone has the Planet Saturn which is the ruling planet of Capricorn. Everyone will suffer something at some point in their life. Maybe if we could get rid of the planet suffering would end, lol. "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, / But in ourselves - Julius Caesar by Shakespeare.

I believe you will tire me out. Does everyone baptize in the Jordan river as a signature of their life?

I suspect thinking through some of these astrology ideas is what's tiring? It's just a few basic questions.
You said planets are Gods but now they cannot do anything to people?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe as far as I can tell everything but science is unevidenced in you opinion which means that your view is myopic.

Your reasoning is faulty.

 

[Sheldon]

I believe as far as I can tell everything but science is unevidenced in you opinion which means that your view is myopic.

I doubt you really believe that, it's just a lame straw man fallacy you have created to avoid addressing my post.

"the biblical claims of what Jesus did or did not say or do, are naught but unevidenced hearsay. Thus your claim to be sure is naught but unevidenced hyperbole. In much the same way you chose to ignore the facts and evidence that demonstrate unequivocally that astrology is pure hokum. Such claims are meaningless obviously."

 

[Sheldon]

Your reasoning is faulty.

Not just faulty, but irrational, since it was a pretty obviously a straw man he created.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes your assertions do suggest you are very closed minded on this topic, nevertheless the biblical claims of what Jesus did or did not say or do, are naught but unevidenced hearsay. Thus your claim to be sure is naught but unevidenced hyperbole. In much the same way you chose to ignore the facts and evidence that demonstrate unequivocally that astrology is pure hokum. Such claims are meaningless obviously.

As always if you can do all the everyday world with evidenced claims and not just claim it, I will start listen to you.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Not just faulty, but irrational, since it was a pretty obviously straw man he created.

You are just stating a fact about how the everyday world works.

 

[PearlSeeker]

 

[Subduction Zone]

That only shows that Randi was a truly amazing astrologist. No wonder he earned the title "The amazing". I do believe that Spiderman was the only other human to win that accolade.

 

[Muffled]

I suspect thinking through some of these astrology ideas is what's tiring? It's just a few basic questions.
You said planets are Gods but now they cannot do anything to people?

I believe the planets were named after gods but you are right they can't do much because as gods they are dead and if reincarnated they don't remember how to be gods.

 

[Muffled]

That only shows that Randi was a truly amazing astrologist. No wonder he earned the title "The amazing". I do believe that Spiderman was the only other human to win that accolade.

I believe that was a cute trick. One has to wonder how general it was for all of them to identify with it. I have never done two horoscopes that were exactly alike and I do get down to details. For instance there was only one person who I said could possibly die in childbirth. It turns out she was RH negative and her husband RH positive. There is a danger there but not as much as in the past.

 

[Muffled]

Your reasoning is faulty.

Are you saying if one looks at only a small part of evidence and ignores the others that it isn't myopic?

 

[Sheldon]

Are you saying if one looks at only a small part of evidence and ignores the others that it isn't myopic?

No he's saying your reasoning was faulty. Obviously since you clearly used a straw man fallacy to misrepresent me, since the argument was one you created, and falsely assigned to me.

I believe as far as I can tell everything but science is unevidenced in you opinion which means that your view is myopic.

I have never remotely claimed nor even implied that emboldened and underlined part, it is a straw man you created and assigned me, ipso facto your reasoning is faulty, as a straw man is a fallacy in informal logic. making it irrational by definition.

 

[Sheldon]

I believe that was a cute trick.

Astrologers have been using it for years.

One has to wonder how general it was for all of them to identify with it.

Well how general do they have to be to apply to a 12th of the population? Yet people read them in news papers, and amazingly don't see how irrational it is to lend such claims any credence.

one person who I said could possibly die in childbirth. It turns out she was RH negative and her husband RH positive. There is a danger there but not as much as in the past.

So the hokum superstition of astrology was not needed at all then, quite obviously. Predicting a danger to either mother or baby in pregnancy is hardly prescient, even now and without knowing their blood groups were an extra risk factor.

Astrology is simply hokum.