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What is the meaning of life? What is the purpose of existence?

Gambit

Well-Known Member
Yes, but that still does not entail that X exists.

I am seeking a brand new German premium car with at least 300 HP that costs no more than 10 dollars.

I have a purpose, a teleology but I will never find it because it does not exist.

The subject matter of this thread is whether there is a purpose, not whether we can achieve that purpose.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
The subject matter of this thread is whether there is a purpose, not whether we can achieve that purpose.

Yes, and I am addressing exactly that. Is there one? How do you know?
Seeking it does not entail its existence.

Ciao

- viole
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
To reiterate: We have direct evidence accorded to us by our first-person perspective that we are seeking "the good as our end."

I am not arguing about the evidence that we are seeking something. I am arguing about the actual existence of what we are seeking.

Maybe you want to define what it is, what we are seeking, so that we can evaluate its plausibility. Just saying it is good does not mean anything.

Ciao

- viole
 

Gambit

Well-Known Member
I am not arguing about the evidence that we are seeking something.

Good. Then we agree that we have a purpose.

I am arguing about the actual existence of what we are seeking.

That's not the subject matter of this thread.

Maybe you want to define what it is, what we are seeking, so that we can evaluate its plausibility. Just saying it is good does not mean anything.

Good has meaning to me. That's the basis on how I judge whether I want to pursue something or not. If I believe it is good, then I will pursue it. If not, then I will not pursue it.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Good. Then we agree that we have a purpose.



That's not the subject matter of this thread.



Good has meaning to me. That's the basis on how I judge whether I want to pursue something or not. If I believe it is good, then I will pursue it. If not, then I will not pursue it.

Well, by believing that something is X, you need a definition of X.

What is good for you?

Ciao

- viole
 

Straw Dog

Well-Known Member
I can't argue with that.



Well, you're asking questions that ultimately come down to what is the meaning of life, the purpose of existence.

I don't presume to know the meaning of all life everywhere. For example, the meaning of life for me is different from the meaning of life for a jellyfish, not that they care about such things. There's a diversity of meanings and purposes rather than one to rule them all.
 

Amleth

antitheist
Life happens... without meaning.

Existence is... without purpose.

Meaning and purpose are qualities of intentional agents... derived from the meaningless, purposeless contingencies of evolution.

We may imbue our living existence with meaning and purpose... or not.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
I don't understand this response. Do you believe that you are endowed with some God-like power? That you can draw everything to some final end?

Hello Gambit, and sorry for the late reply.

My position is that I believe there isn't much "objective" purpose for life. Now, that doesn't mean I'm saying that life is meaningless, instead what I am saying is that I believe it is up to the individual to determine his/her subject "purpose".

I hope that clears things up for you regarding my views.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Life happens... without meaning.

Existence is... without purpose.

Meaning and purpose are qualities of intentional agents... derived from the meaningless, purposeless contingencies of evolution.

We may imbue our living existence with meaning and purpose... or not.

Do you believe in anything Greater than yourself?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
only for a time.

I believe the last hour and the last breath to be critical.
It is then that your mind and emotion gel and take form to what is then your spirit.

If anything would stress your thought and feeling....it would that effort to live.....though you no longer breathe.
 

Blackmarch

W'rkncacntr
I believe the last hour and the last breath to be critical.
It is then that your mind and emotion gel and take form to what is then your spirit.

If anything would stress your thought and feeling....it would that effort to live.....though you no longer breathe.
interesting.

Mines more along the lines that each part or phase of spirit's existence adds to it (from long before this life to long after). and that each step is critical to it, among those steps would be death which is the separation of spirit and body.
 
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
interesting.

Mines more along the lines that each part or phase of spirit's existence adds to it (from long before this life to long after). and that each step is critical to it, among those steps would be death which is the separation of spirit and body.

Reincarnation?.....I cannot count it out.
There are events in my life that point to skill acquired...but how?
I do things that others can't.

Still, the scheme seems to include a lack of person.... as in name.
The accumulated know how might persist.

but not proof....no affirmation.
 
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