What is the Message of the Book of Job?

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The scriptures tell you how long Adam and Eve lived, and they both were less than 1000 years old in our time - a year being one trip around the sun. Before they ate the fruit there was no plan for them to die. Gos daid they would die in the day they ate the fruit and we know that a day in God's time is like 1000 years in our time. So the serpent did lie - in God's time - which is the time they were on.

Not true because nobody ever explains how 1 God day = 1000 of our years is calculated beyond a mere claim that 'since they died roughly 1000 years from leaving Eden, 1 God Day must equal 1000 years' which is nothing more than confirmation bias & circular logic.

 

[Amazing Mercy and Grace]

AMG, you don't have to compose a whole gospel to explain the message of the book of Job. It is right there in the last chapter: Job 42:7-10. The whole book of Job is an allegory to point to Israel qua Immanuel between HaShem and Mankind. Job represents Israel and his friends the Gentiles. Somehow, the testimony of Job's friends did not please God and a sacrifice was needed to make up for that failure. However, the sacrifice had to be performed by Job to be accepted by HaShem. Job did as he was bid and his friends were accepted by the Lord.

I disagree completely. There was wickedness going on in the house of Job. His sons were having drunken parties with their sisters, and hanky panky was going on. Job knew it and thought he could just cover it up by slaughtering an innocent animal. Remember the lesson of Eli and his sons?
That was a very serious matter, and Job handled it wrong.
Job's heart was in the right place, but his mind was not.
In all the conversations with his friends, never once did Job or his friends bring up the matter of why Job was slaughtering innocent animals to cover up the wickedness of his sons. I'm sorry that you can't understand that, that's probably why you don't understand the story of Job.

 

[Amazing Mercy and Grace]

Not true because nobody ever explains how 1 God day = 1000 of our years is calculated beyond a mere claim that 'since they died roughly 1000 years from leaving Eden, 1 God Day must equal 1000 years' which is nothing more than confirmation bias & circular logic.

Just because God never explained why he considers 1000 years of our time to be one of his days doesn't make what I said not true. God said that in the day they ate the fruit they would die, a day in his time is 1000 years, and Adam and Eve both suffered death within a day of God's time - 1000 years. Adam and Eve were on God's time.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How do you interpret Job?

God has a serious gambling problem, is easily manipulated, and Satan, Lucifer, Beelzebub, Azmodeus, Belial, and the other hosts of Hell have never before or since have laughed so hard.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Just because God never explained why he considers 1000 years of our time to be one of his days doesn't make what I said not true. God said that in the day they ate the fruit they would die, a day in his time is 1000 years, and Adam and Eve both suffered death within a day of God's time - 1000 years. Adam and Eve were on God's time.

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so. You've offered no explanation of how you calculated 1 God Day = 1000 solar years. I suspect that's because you don't have one - I also suspect all you can do is blindly repeat the claim over and over.

 

[Amazing Mercy and Grace]

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so. You've offered no explanation of how you calculated 1 God Day = 1000 solar years. I suspect that's because you don't have one - I also suspect all you can do is blindly repeat the claim over and over.

I'm going off scripture, the same place the story of Job can be found.

 

[Quagmire]

I disagree completely. There was wickedness going on in the house of Job. His sons were having drunken parties with their sisters, and hanky panky was going on.

Is any of this actually in the Book of Job? Because it doesn't sound at all familiar to me.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible -- but it has also been tainted. Elihu, who shows up only at the beginning and the end, is clearly a much later addition, attempting to provide a way to interpret that fits with the Jewish sentiment at that later time (Job probably wasn't even written by those we consider Israelite).

But there is one thing in Job that cannot, must not be ignored, if you are one of those who believe it tells a "real story." And that is that God allowed all of Job's children to be killed -- for no other reason than proving a point -- and thought that could be made up by providing more children and more riches later.

If anyone cannot see how that infinitely demeans any individual human life, then they are not reading properly.

 

[Quagmire]

I'm going off scripture,

Yup, way off.

 

[Amazing Mercy and Grace]

Is any of this actually in the Book of Job? Because it doesn't sound at all familiar to me.

Read the first 2 chapters and you shouldn't be mystified anymore.

 

[Amazing Mercy and Grace]

Read the first 2 chapters and you shouldn't be mystified anymore.

2Peter 3:8

 

[Kemosloby]

I believe Job's suffering mask prophecy of Christ on the cross. At certain points of Jobs suffering, he sounds like he is Christ on the cross. Job 16:16 and onward...

 

[Ben Avraham]

The scriptures tell you how long Adam and Eve lived, and they both were less than 1000 years old in our time - a year being one trip around the sun. Before they ate the fruit there was no plan for them to die. Gos daid they would die in the day they ate the fruit and we know that a day in God's time is like 1000 years in our time. So the serpent did lie - in God's time - which is the time they were on.

No, the serpent did not lie. The text does not say that the age of Adam passed in a day. You better cut off the verbal juggling because it is not helping.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I believe Job's suffering mask prophecy of Christ on the cross. At certain points of Jobs suffering, he sounds like he is Christ on the cross. Job 16:16 and onward...

You are speculating on empty assumptions based on Christian preconceived notions. Evidence? Job lost all his family during his period of sickness and got all them back at the end of the trial. That's an allegory. Even the personage Job did not exist if you read "The Guide for the Perplexed" by the great Jewish Theologian Moses Maimonides.

 

[Kemosloby]

You are speculating on empty assumptions based on Christian preconceived notions. Evidence? Job lost all his family during his period of sickness and got all them back at the end of the trial. That's an allegory. Even the personage Job did not exist if you read "The Guide for the Perplexed" by the great Jewish Theologian Moses Maimonides.

It wouldn't be preconceived since Job happened first, It's subtle but it's there. Some scholar somewhere has an opinion for everything...

 

[Ben Avraham]

It wouldn't be preconceived since Job happened first, It's subtle but it's there. Some scholar somewhere has an opinion for everything...

What is Christian preconceived notion is your interpretation of what has been written many years ago.

 

[Kemosloby]

What is Christian preconceived notion is your interpretation of what has been written many years ago.

Is that a crime? Hindsight is 20/20. Not that I was there but if reading about Christ on the cross makes it cleared to see...I see no harm. And it's logical that it needed to be concealed, since, if the Pharisees and everybody else knew Christ was prophesied to be crucified would they have still done it? Yet still necessary to be visible in "hindsight" to convince people Christ was the Messiah, to those who were willing to see it and believe.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Is that a crime? Hindsight is 20/20. Not that I was there but if reading about Christ on the cross makes it cleared to see...I see no harm. And it's logical that it needed to be concealed, since, if the Pharisees and everybody else knew Christ was prophesied to be crucified would they have still done it? Yet still necessary to be visible in "hindsight" to convince people Christ was the Messiah, to those who were willing to see it and believe.

Due to Christian preconceived notions, any claim about Jesus in the Tanach must be evidenced with his name. Why! Because in a Biblical debate with a Muslim, he tried to prove to me that the prophet-like-unto-Moses promised in Deuteronomy 18:18,19 was Mohammad. Even the expression "from among your people" was challenged by the Muslim that Ishmael was son of Abraham and brother to Isaac. Therefore from among your people. So, if you cannot provide us with the name of Jesus in the Tanach, it is useless to claim that he was prophesied.

 

[Kemosloby]

Due to Christian preconceived notions, any claim about Jesus in the Tanach must be evidenced with his name. Why! Because in a Biblical debate with a Muslim, he tried to prove to me that the prophet-like-unto-Moses promised in Deuteronomy 18:18,19 was Mohammad. Even the expression "from among your people" was challenged by the Muslim that Ishmael was son of Abraham and brother to Isaac. Therefore from among your people. So, if you cannot provide us with the name of Jesus in the Tanach, it is useless to claim that he was prophesied.

No, it doesn't say his name has to be Jesus. It says he will raise up a prophet from among the Israelites, and everybody knows Jesus was a Jew. Mohammad could not be him because Mohammad was not a Jew.

 

[Ben Avraham]

No, it doesn't say his name has to be Jesus. It says he will raise up a prophet from among the Israelites, and everybody knows Jesus was a Jew. Mohammad could not be him because Mohammad was not a Jew.

There were thousands of Jews at the time of Jesus and, according to Josephus in his book "Wars of the Jews" thousands of Jews were crucified by the Romans only in the First Century in the very same manner as Jesus was. You have all the right in the world to believe that Jesus was the one but don't put up the claim to non-Christian readers because you might get disappointed.