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What is the mystery of the kingdom?

Onkara

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One of the verses that talks about the mystery is this one in Col 1:26

Colossians 1: 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

This verse says that the mystery is 'Christ in you, the hope of glory'.

Does that solve the mystery? Perhaps not yet. We have to ask how Christ gets in you and what kind of glory are we hoping for, and why does he have to be IN you to have this hope.

Colossians 2:2 indicates that Jesus himself is this mystery.

Col 2:2 ....in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ.....

Personally I see no biblical foundation for the sinners prayer as a means to 'get Christ in you'. (But that is another topic)

The kindgom principles have to be at work IN you before you can enter into the kingdom of God with your new glorified body.

So the kingdom is IN us but also OUTSIDE of us.
Hello
Quite so, the Kingdom is IN and OUTSIDE in fact there is no division, no divide:

Mark 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

Jesus uses parables as their is no word to describe the Kingdom within you. It can be known by what it is not. The Lords Prayer addresses what it is not in direct reference to the Kingdom of heaven (the inner spirit) and earth (the outer body):

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
 

kylixguru

Well-Known Member
The kindgom principles have to be at work IN you before you can enter into the kingdom of God with your new glorified body.

So the kingdom is IN us but also OUTSIDE of us.
Very good insight. Sadly, it is fading fast.

We also need to remember that the Kingdom is the Father's Kingdom. Jesus came as His Son to give us a level up in knowledge and understanding to better prepare us for the time when the Father would come to establish His Kingdom, which is also when He would come to lay the foundation for the new Creation. This is the "new heavens and new earth" that Peter was talking about. (2 Peter 3:13) It is also mentioned in Revelation 21:1. Jesus gave a lot of very good advice so that people would be ready and able to accept the Father when He had His advent. This was of course provided that His Gospel did not become perverted or corrupted. Otherwise, as Paul warned in Galatians 1 and Romans 1, they would become the recipients of God's wrath and be turned over to a multitude of vices instead of enjoying peace and prosperity in God's paradise.

A "mystery of the Kingdom" that I see is the Father comes to earth and is given dominion over all creation to establish this paradise but the world rejects Him and in due time He and His Bride fall into transgression and the kingdom that He endeavored to establish becomes paradise lost. He is able to get the foundation laid, but His progress is halted because of transgression and is brought to ruin.

This Man, the Father, is ordained to be our King and our Lord and our God. He is otherwise known as Adam who is ordained to stand at the head of all creation. However, because He died as a consequence of partaking of the forbidden fruit, He became a disembodied Holy being, otherwise known as the Holy Ghost. Because He was also a transgressor He also died the second death, which is to have one's soul cast into the pit of hell. Our Father, Our King and our God died and descended below all things.




If you look at the Hebrew components of the name ADAM you will find:
  • A = Aleph = Father
  • D = Daleth = Death
  • M = Mem = Ordained (with implication of a double portion)
Thus, the reading of the name Adam can be seen as:
God the Father, Head of all Creation, is ordained unto death's double portion.

However, the beautiful part of this is He came into direct contact with other souls who suffered the same fate. He condescended Himself to bring Holy Light into the deepest pit of spiritual death so that all there might have a chance to receive that Light and partake of Life with Him when His Son the Redeemer would rescue Him from the pit and restore Him to Life so that the Kingdom could be established in power and victory and the new creation be completed on a foundation of righteousness, just as Peter and John the Revelator prophesied it should be.

Thus, I equate the Kingdom of God to also be the Paradise of God. Mankind would have an opportunity to enter into God's Paradise and they would enjoy it for a brief period of time but in due time they would succumb to the lies of the Serpent and begin to think they know to distinguish good from evil themselves, yet they did so in contradiction to what they were originally commanded to obey. Because they lacked the wisdom to perceive and counter the deception of what looked very delicious and desirable to them, they were brought to ruin and were delivered over to the power and control of God's adversary. Their paradise was brought to shambles and ultimately when the lies he deceived them with are proven to be like a building with no foundation in reality, it shall all come tumbling down resulting in a massive calamity that will cost the lives of hundreds of millions if not billions of people. The birth of the new creation rises from the ashes of the old as a tender plant growing from the roots out of a dry ground. It survives against all odds and is able to finish the creation upon the foundation that Adam previously established. It shall be a renewal and continuation of what was previously ordained, despite the cunning and craftiness of the Serpent.

Knowing this opens up understanding the basis of how the Trinity or the Godhead actually works. The Holy Ghost (Father Adam, our King who died) is redeemed by the Son (Jesus Christ His Redeemer) in such a manner (via the at-one-ment) that together in union as the Father (the Alpha and the Omega, the One and only true God beside Whom there is no other, per Isaiah 44:6) They (in singular) redeem and complete the new Creation in righteousness that Adam previously laid the foundation of.

All of those who were not deceived and overcome by the adversary that survive and live into this grand period of renewal shall be joint-heirs with Christ (as the Father) to stand at the head of the new creation. Those who were killed because of their righteousness to fight against the adversary shall have their resurrection at the beginning of the new creation in splendor and glory and enjoy a life of prosperity, peace and rest. This glorious period of time will last almost a thousand years as a golden age of Man when the Kingdom of God (and His Christ) shall not be opposed by the Serpent until he is loosed again near the end of the thousand years.

(To be continued...)
 

kylixguru

Well-Known Member
(Continued...)

Perhaps some points I take for granted should be clarified.

Adam comes at the beginning _and_ at the end because there are repeating creation cycles making the end of one the beginning of the other and the beginning the end. If we look for a new heavens and a new earth, we are looking for a new creation and a new beginning and so we should be looking for a new Adam too.

Thus, Adam comes in the Last Days as well as in the Beginning of Creation. His first advent in the flesh is in the Last Days of a creation cycle to lay the foundation of the new creation cycle. Thus, this is the timing of the advent of the Holy Ghost, the 3rd member of the Trinity/Godhead upon the earth because Adam falls and dies in the process, which makes Him the Holy Ghost. Jesus did say that the Holy Ghost was yet to come and that when He did come He would teach mankind all things. Certainly this would include all things pertaining to His Kingdom. But, Jesus knew the Father's Kingdom would be rejected and what would happen.

Shortly after Adam's fall (not after thousands of years but just a couple hundred years in our time), Adam (aka Man) is redeemed and His throne is restored to Him by His Son, the Son of Man. Thus, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is manifested in the flesh by the advent of the Father (Man and Son of Man in union) who establish the Kingdom in power and glory.

Thus, via union or at-one-ment, Jesus becomes the 2nd Adam at His 2nd Coming to stand at the head of the new Creation in complete union (the two shall cleave together and become one flesh) as the Father with Adam, who is also experiencing His 2nd Coming as the 1st Adam that transgressed and died but who has now been redeemed.

Put another way, the advent of the Father comes in the beginning of a new creation cycle as a distinct personage in the flesh who also has union or at-one-ment with the previous creation cycle's Son and Holy Ghost personages. Thus, He manifests the One-ness of all three personages of the Godhead, which obviously shall include Jesus Christ.

Thus, Jesus will have a soul-braided companion when He stands as the Father at His second coming. This companion will have transgressed and have been hated and persecuted greatly by the world, but would be justified and redeemed. This companion was the advent of the 3rd member of the Godhead of the previous creation cycle and shall stand in union with Jesus Christ as the 1st member of the new Godhead for the new Creation.

The new Creation shall also have new personages ordained to carry out the role of Savior (Son) and Adam (Holy Ghost) that also shall become One God (Father) with all the Fathers of prior Creations as they create yet another new Creation, and so on. Thus, there is a royal line of deified personages that span all creation cycles of past ages and there shall continue to be new divine personages in ages future. This is why we have stories of the Pagan Christ figures. This is merely left over information giving us an account of the dealings between God and mankind from previous ages. This is also why Gods are depicted as making mistakes, going to Hades and back, and so on and so on. It's a pretty crappy job in some ways, but evidently it's all part of an elaborate dance between good and evil, light and dark, and so on.

Be sure to read Isaiah 44:6 in the KJV where the implications of this are plainly manifested. It reads: "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel (Adam who was given dominion over all things), and ***his*** (Adam's) redeemer the LORD of hosts (the "Lord's Christ", per Luke 2:26, who is Jesus Christ); I (Adam and Jesus both together in union after Adam's redemption) am the first, and I am the last (the Father at the beginning and the ending of a creation cycle); and beside me there is no God."

So, hopefully after reading what I have written above enough times to see it objectively, people will come to understand we are in the end times (Last Days) and that perhaps some will see we were already given a Heavenly Paradise that is accelerating into a fallen state as we make (alleged) "progress".

A strong hint that I am on to something to make this story of creation immediately relevant is "America" itself actually means "Kingdom of Heaven". America is/was our garden paradise. If the Galic, German and Hebrew rendition of "Kingdom of Heaven" are spoken it very much sounds like America. Himmelric, Amalrik, etc. (Going from memory here, perhaps someone can provide a refined/corrected rendition of these other languages Romanized here?) This etymology is not a coincidence.

Thus, on the societal level, the manifestation of Adam (priesthood power = free government under God) and Eve (bride = Church of Jesus Christ to ready people for this government) has already occurred in our recent history. But, as prophesied, They were beguiled by the Serpent (corrupt powers of this world) and have fallen into transgression and are in dire need of redemption.

America shall be cleansed and redeemed and restored to her former peace and prosperity and even go far beyond in power and majesty and might, but we have yet to undergo the scourge and the judgment upon the wicked in her who have perverted and corrupted her and taken her way off course into an instrument in the hands of those who wish to establish a totalitarian dictatorship that controls our individual lives in a very unhealthy manner.

Men shall be sovereigns again as they once were instead of slaves to the beast system that seeks to take away the individual agency of man to force them into doing what it thinks they should do. Our political system will return to a constitutional republic where man's unalienable rights under God shall be restored, including what God deems good and evil so that the truly righteous no longer suffer and are denied their rights to live as their conscience directs them.

The economic system the world knows very little about that they persecuted and rejected out of fear and ignorance shall be unveiled again and gladly implemented in the place of the current economic system that enslaved us all.

Everyone in this new society shall have access to the pure knowledge and understanding of all the mysteries of God and comprehend the end from the beginning and shall comprehend even God Himself. They will be His personal friends and companions.

Unfortunately, as is prophesied, "few there be" that shall find this kind of life. It is only those who are elected as seed stock for the new creation that shall miraculously live through the calamities to come to rebuild the new Creation with the Father in His Kingdom.

Fortunately, all who die in the conflict for the sake of righteousness shall receive their resurrection in this glorious kingdom. In my opinion, that path looks to be quite attractive because your toil and suffering are over and you need only wait for your time to rise into glory. But, whatever God wills for me is just fine. It's all good.

I hope my words here will help bolster people's faith and appreciation for what we were given and know that it is worth losing our lives for if necessary to defend the great principles in our Constitution of this great Kingdom of Heaven Paradise that we have enjoyed these past centuries. Fortunately, for the truly righteous, the best is yet to come!

So, as you have said: We first get the Kingdom IN us so that when the Kingdom comes here on earth we shall be deemed worthy to be received IN it. We need oil in our lamps burning bright enough that we have all the spectrum of colors in our light to perceive the pearls from the stones. Without these pearls of understanding we shall not find our way to the pearly gates and be allowed to enter.

All the law that comes from the Father is predicated upon "love they neighbor as thyself". The difference is He sees things from a perspective that spans ages and He knows all of the blind spots the adversary takes advantage of to get people to support his agenda with misplaced compassion that simply leads to ruin. His laws may seem harsh to some but it is a time-tested kingdom that outshines the glory of all other kingdoms man tries to establish on his own. It is only a kingdom for those who are of a mindset that they are individually responsible who do not expect the masses to be forced to assist him with the negative consequences of his own irresponsibility.

A person who has age spanning vision who knows what makes all the difference, whose compassion is wise and just, is a person who has the Kingdom IN them. The founding fathers of our great nation were exemplary of men who are of the Kingdom. If enough of such people with the Kingdom IN them can be left unmolested by the world long enough, the mustard seed shall indeed grow into a great tree that can displace any mountain or mountains in its path. Such shall be the Father's Kingdom in decades to come. Praise be to God Almighty! I hope to be there and to see you (Heneni) there too.

Have a nice day!
 
The mystery is that the kingdom is the children of Israel. The Kingdom is for the children of Israel.


Matt 10:5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Matt 10:6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt 10:7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

John 8:32
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lockyfan

Active Member
The Kingdom is simple. It is a heavenly government arranged by Jehovah God Himself. Ruled by his son Jesus. It will Crush and Destroy the earthly governments of today. Thus why Jesus said his kingdom is no part of THIS world because simply put it will destroy it and its rulers. (Daniel 2:31-35)(John 18:36) It will never be destroyed by anyone else ever again (Daniel 2:44.) Also see about the Beasts at Daniel 7:1-15 and how the "ancient of days" allows them time for a season. The Ancient of Days is God and the "beasts" are human governments and rulers.

The Kingdom starts at the end of the time of the nations. This is prophesied in Daniel 4:10-16.

We see what happens when Christ is starting to rule in the heavens as that signals the beginning of the last days (of this worlds and its forms of rulership) Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 13. Also we see what happens at the VERY beginning of this at revelation 12:1-13
 

free spirit

Well-Known Member
Has anyone figured it out?

Yes HENENI I am in the kingdom of God or if you prefer the KOG is in me.
The following is an article which is included in my book "the way god told it" I hope it will help.
BORN AGAIN


Many books have been written but ambiguity, I believe, still surrounds this subject. Nothing in what I have read or in what I have heard from preachers has explained the fundamental differences between seeing the Kingdom of God, and entering the Kingdom of God.
For we read in John 3:3: “Jesus answered and said to him, truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
And in verse 5 we read: “Jesus answered, truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.”
From the above verses we learn that there are two stages of transition if you like: one is to enable men to see the Kingdom of God and the other is to enable men to enter the Kingdom of God. Like everything else in our lives, the spiritual journey also begins at birth. We must realise therefore that when we are born our spirit is agnostic. In other words, we do not know if there is a God or not. However as we grow up, at some point in time of our life (mostly before or in our early teens), we will make that decision based on our own observation of the awe of creation.
I personally remember when I made that decision. It was based on my reason and discernment which came about from an ordinary lesson of religious education that I had attended months before in Rome, which taught that the world was so beautiful that it could not have evolved by itself. Hence I thought while I was observing my surroundings during the summer holiday at my grandfather’s farm, that there must be a Creator. All of the natural things and animals that surrounded me could not have happened by themselves, it was all too perfect.
At that time, unbeknown to me, my innocent fleshly spirit was born again as a believer and willing to accept the religion of my ancestors. That religion in turn taught me to have faith in its doctrines and led me through the journey described in Galatians 3:23 to chapter 4:6, but now we will read only Galatians 4:1-6: “Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything. But he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father. So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental religious doctrines of the world. But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, in order that He might redeem those who are under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, ‘Abba! Father!”’
With that uncomplicated history I can understand, where Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews, was coming from when he spoke to Jesus. So in order to explain a number of important points on this subject we will read various scriptures from John 3:1-21: “Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews; this man came to Jesus by night, and said to Him, ‘Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with Him.’”
Without realising it, Nicodemus had made a very important confession of faith to Jesus, by saying, they knew that Jesus had come from God as a teacher. By saying that, he demonstrated that he and others were believing and able to see the Kingdom of God in Jesus, for they recognised that God was performing miracles through Him. Jesus in turn confirmed that Nicodemus and others where able to see the Kingdom, for He answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.” (Jesus’ words can also be understood to say; only a believer can see what you said.)
Unfortunately, Nicodemus did not recognise Jesus’ answer as a confirmation of his ability to see the Kingdom, for he was thrown completely out of balance because he could only think of having to be born again from his mother’s womb. Jesus however, in correcting Nicodemus’s misunderstanding, moved to the next spiritual transition by saying, “Truly, truly, I say to you unless one is born of water and the spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.” (Jesus’ words can also be understood to say; unless one is converted and repents he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.)

END OF PART ONE
 
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free spirit

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PART TWO
It is obvious that Nicodemus had no trouble seeing the Kingdom of God in Jesus because he was a God-fearing man, honestly believing in the existence of God, trusting his spirit, which was born again as a believer through his Jewish religion.
Therefore we can be certain that all who earnestly believe and have a fear of God, regardless from which doctrine their faith was born, has the capability of seeing the Kingdom of God. (Remember the Roman centurion, Matthew 8:10 and the Canaanite woman, Matthew 15:27 - 28.)
Now to understand the transitional meaning of being “born of water and the spirit”, one has to consider that the Lord is telling us that a conversion of our beliefs and attitude has to take place through our immersion in the water of the word, and to live our lives according to our new understanding of godliness which comes from that word. That is to say, this conversion has to move us from a faith based on religions doctrines to a lifestyle of godliness so that we might eventually share His Divine character.
However we should recognise also, that the faith based on religious doctrines has the capability of developing into two vastly different kinds of faiths, for Jesus said in John 3:6, “That faith which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that faith which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” We can see the difference between these two faiths if we are able to compare the faiths of Cain and Abel, Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob. (Or see the different attitude in the faith of the apostle Paul before and after his conversion to Christianity.)
Those who have a religious worldly faith but do not have godliness, do not see or understand the divine nature of the Kingdom, nor do they see the need to be converted to the truth of the grace of God, for those believers do not practice goodness. As it is written in John 3:20-21: “For everyone who is a hypocrite hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who practises the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
In Matthew 18:3 there is a confirmation of the necessary action to be taken by sincere religious people who seek to enter the grace of the Kingdom, for Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”
So we now know also that the expressions “born again, renewal, converted, become like children, repentance,” are all saying the same thing, and that we are meant to mature in His life, which is clearly confirmed in Ephesians 4:23-24, for it says: “Be renewed in the spirit of your mind and put on the New Self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.”
This conversion, or entrance into the kingdom can be dramatic as it was in Paul’s case; keeping in mind that Paul’s zealous Jewish faith was extremely honest. That zealous and honest faith is the reason for which the Lord converted him from being a faithful violent person to a faithful loving person in such a dramatic way. Or the conversion can take some time, as we read in 2Corinthians 3:18: “But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as the Lord allows the spirit.”
Therefore, if we see the kingdom of Christ and earnestly desire to enter into the freedom and blessings of that kingdom, we should follow the advice of 2Peter 1:5-11, because these scriptures are very specific about how we should progress from faith to love, for we read: “Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, you will acquire knowledge; and in your knowledge, supply self-control, and in your self-control, you will acquire perseverance, and in your perseverance, you will also acquire godliness; and in your godliness, supply brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, you will acquire love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins. Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practise these things, you will never stumble; for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.”
So we should all examine and ask ourselves, who are we like? Are we like Nicodemus, the Roman centurion, or the Canaanite woman, whose religious faith was praised by Jesus. Or are we on a holy journey by following 2Peter 1:5-11? As a consequence of that,we are doing Cornelius’s love deeds (Acts 10:1-2), not because we want to be saved, but because we are living in the spirit and true character of the children of God.
I believe and hope that the above article clarifies for you the myths and ambiguities about being born again. But even if you have only now learned of the existing differences between seeing and entering the Kingdom of God, take courage, you are already half way there.
Glory to God
 
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free spirit

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A person who has age spanning vision who knows what makes all the difference, whose compassion is wise and just, is a person who has the Kingdom IN them. The founding fathers of our great nation were exemplary of men who are of the Kingdom. If enough of such people with the Kingdom IN them can be left unmolested by the world long enough, the mustard seed shall indeed grow into a great tree that can displace any mountain or mountains in its path. Such shall be the Father's Kingdom in decades to come. Praise be to God Almighty! I hope to be there and to see you (Heneni) there too.

Have a nice day!

Were do you get all that nonsense from.
 

kylixguru

Well-Known Member
I believe and hope that the above article clarifies for you the myths and ambiguities about being born again.
What was it supposed to clarify?

The article itself seemed to be an abstract.


But even if you have only now learned of the existing differences between seeing and entering the Kingdom of God, take courage, you are already half way there.
I agree a person needs to see the Kingdom of God before they can enter it. But, aside from some general concepts, I don't see where you have established what it is Jesus indicated a person should see. That seems to me to be the critical part.


To continue your abstract based on what I can gather from your words. It appears to me that Jesus is indicating that whatever Kingdom a person shall 'enter' is the Kingdom that they 'see'. He is teaching that we are the creators of our own kingdom. We either 'see' God's Kingdom or we don't. If we don't 'see' it then we won't 'enter' it.

For example, let's take what appears to be what you 'see' the Kingdom of God being. Please clarify if I have not accurately depicted what you see.

You see the kingdom as a place where salvation is provided for people as a free gift without any works (including repentance) being required. Simply having mere belief is enough to enter to partake with everyone else.

So, since this is the kind of kingdom you 'see' this shall be the kind of kingdom you shall eventually 'enter' into. You shall look upon individuals in power endeavoring to provide this for humanity as their Messiah. Thus, this person or persons would collectively be the return of Christ.

Even still, this is in abstract. For example, what is 'salvation'?

As I see it, I can only fathom salvation being everything required for life. That would be our food, housing, clothing, medical care, education, etc. Also, it would appear entrance is open to anyone who simply wishes to come in and partake of the free food, housing, clothing, medical care, education, etc. There would be no border agents checking anyone's credentials or qualifications because simply believing is evidenced by the fact that you are coming in.

Thus, the end result or product of one's faith is to enjoy the manifestation of what they envisioned. And, quite frankly, what you speak of sounds very wonderful. It sounds like a true Paradise. In fact, if my mind were to truly grasp onto what this would give me I would get VERY excited about it. Especially when I realized it was something my Messiah was going to give me free of charge. I can see myself having a sense of euphoria as I entrained my expectations to receive this. This would be better than winning the lottery. You would also want to share this excitement with everyone and get them to see this vision and join with you in materializing it. This would quickly be transferred and grow into a powerful movement in society. Those who were critical of this would be denounced and discredited. And so on.

How am I doing so far?
 

free spirit

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What was it supposed to clarify?
The article itself seemed to be an abstract.

I am talking about spiritual things, therefore like jesus parables to most people it is an abstract.


I agree a person needs to see the Kingdom of God before they can enter it. But, aside from some general concepts, I don't see where you have established what it is Jesus indicated a person should see. That seems to me to be the critical part.

To continue your abstract based on what I can gather from your words. It appears to me that Jesus is indicating that whatever Kingdom a person shall 'enter' is the Kingdom that they 'see'. He is teaching that we are the creators of our own kingdom. We either 'see' God's Kingdom or we don't. If we don't 'see' it then we won't 'enter' it.

If you are a sincere believer regardeless of your religion you can see the kingdom of God in Jesus.


For example, let's take what appears to be what you 'see' the Kingdom of God being. Please clarify if I have not accurately depicted what you see.

You see the kingdom as a place where salvation is provided for people as a free gift without any works (including repentance) being required. Simply having mere belief is enough to enter to partake with everyone else.

Read the article again, because you have not understood it at all.


So, since this is the kind of kingdom you 'see' this shall be the kind of kingdom you shall eventually 'enter' into. You shall look upon individuals in power endeavoring to provide this for humanity as their Messiah. Thus, this person or persons would collectively be the return of Christ.

Even still, this is in abstract. For example, what is 'salvation'?

As I see it, I can only fathom salvation being everything required for life. That would be our food, housing, clothing, medical care, education, etc. Also, it would appear entrance is open to anyone who simply wishes to come in and partake of the free food, housing, clothing, medical care, education, etc. There would be no border agents checking anyone's credentials or qualifications because simply believing is evidenced by the fact that you are coming in.

Thus, the end result or product of one's faith is to enjoy the manifestation of what they envisioned. And, quite frankly, what you speak of sounds very wonderful. It sounds like a true Paradise. In fact, if my mind were to truly grasp onto what this would give me I would get VERY excited about it. Especially when I realized it was something my Messiah was going to give me free of charge. I can see myself having a sense of euphoria as I entrained my expectations to receive this. This would be better than winning the lottery. You would also want to share this excitement with everyone and get them to see this vision and join with you in materializing it. This would quickly be transferred and grow into a powerful movement in society. Those who were critical of this would be denounced and discredited. And so on.

How am I doing so far?

Not very well I am afraid... The kingdom of God is the realm of the spirit were you do not need material things and the universe is your play ground as it were.
 

kylixguru

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Not very well I am afraid... The kingdom of God is the realm of the spirit were you do not need material things and the universe is your play ground as it were.
If that's how you look at it, then I can understand why you don't think I am doing very well.

Although, earlier you said I appeared to be in a dream of my own. So I thought, well, fantastic, perhaps this individual can explain things in terms of what I can directly relate to. However, it appears you are who is in the realm of dreams.

As I understand it, the realm of the spirit is the realm of thought and understanding. Thus, we can 'see' the Kingdom of God with the 'eye of understanding'. In this manner the Kingdom is spiritually born within us.

So, if anyone claims to be 'born again' they should be prepared to outline in reasonable and practical detail what exactly they understand the Kingdom to be.

I am assuming you claim to be 'born again' and this is why I am asking you to explain what you see in real terms that I can relate to. As I see it, there weren't any of the prophets, apostles, etc. who told the people they cannot know such things in a practical manner. But, today, people do not explain such things in practical terms and make it all into metaphysics. I found this to be discouraging and disheartening.
 

free spirit

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If I'm dreaming, perhaps you can help wake me up.
I'm trying to make sense of what you wrote in your two part dissertation.
Perhaps you can guide me along your path for a while.

It is really simple, because God only wants to change our fleshly character to the holy character of His son, which enable us to enter His Kingdom.

In the first part of the article I describe how I became a born again believer, and I was able to see the kingdom of God, in other words I was able to understand that holiness was part and parcel of the kingdom of God. However I was not able to enter the state of holiness through the doctrines that I was following, therefore I needed a saviour to quide me through repentance enabling me to enter his holy kingdom, or His holy character.

How you get there?
We are all individuals we need a quide that knows us better than ourseves, for repentance is a must and we do not know how to do that. That is why the Holy Spirit is given to His children and to His friends who ask.
 

free spirit

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If that's how you look at it, then I can understand why you don't think I am doing very well.

Although, earlier you said I appeared to be in a dream of my own. So I thought, well, fantastic, perhaps this individual can explain things in terms of what I can directly relate to. However, it appears you are who is in the realm of dreams.

As I understand it, the realm of the spirit is the realm of thought and understanding. Thus, we can 'see' the Kingdom of God with the 'eye of understanding'. In this manner the Kingdom is spiritually born within us.

So, if anyone claims to be 'born again' they should be prepared to outline in reasonable and practical detail what exactly they understand the Kingdom to be.

I am assuming you claim to be 'born again' and this is why I am asking you to explain what you see in real terms that I can relate to. As I see it, there weren't any of the prophets, apostles, etc. who told the people they cannot know such things in a practical manner. But, today, people do not explain such things in practical terms and make it all into metaphysics. I found this to be discouraging and disheartening.

I can see and feel your frustration, I hope you found the answer to your question in my previous post.
 
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