What is the point of censorship?

[Viker]

Of course, we are speaking of political ideas. It has nothing to do with targeting politicians on the personal level.
But...do you want to deny that what the Left has been doing is desperately trying to censor ideas considered bigoted?

Where/when have they tried to censor bigoted ideas? You do know that we allow neonazis and the KKK to demonstrate? We haven't even banned the swastika.

 

[McBell]

What I meant.

Stopping everyone from having access to books you dislike is censorship.
that is what book bans do, stop people from accessing the books.
Keeping books out of a public library is preventing people from having access to books.
That is censorship.

And yes, preventing your own children from accessing books you dislike is also censorship.

Like I said, you seem to have a rather interestingly narrow idea of what is and is not censorship.

 

[Estro Felino]

Where/when have they tried to censor bigoted ideas? You do know that we allow neonazis and the KKK to demonstrate? We haven't even banned the swastika.

Everywhere in the media. TV...anything. People can't say anything, basically.
You should see our TV. They are incredibly outspoken, and there's not even the bleeping out or whatever is called.

 

[Estro Felino]

Stopping everyone from having access to books you dislike is censorship.
that is what book bans do, stop people from accessing the books.
Keeping books out of a public library is preventing people from having access to books.
That is censorship.

And yes, preventing your own children from accessing books you dislike is also censorship.

Like I said, you seem to have a rather interestingly narrow idea of what is and is not censorship.

I think that parents have the right to decide the education of their own children and prevent them from reading pornographic books.

 

[Viker]

Everywhere in the media. TV...anything. People can't say anything, basically.
You should see our TV. They are incredibly outspoken, and there's not even the bleeping out or whatever is called.

I don't see that here, except the annoying bleeping, like that matters or makes sense anymore. We have a multitude of various media outlets. If you can't get your political message out on one there is always another equally large outlet that will be friendly. The closest thing we have to state owned television is PBS, but it still runs on mostly private donations.

 

[Father Heathen]

E.U. law threatens free speech, online groups say

Politicians who posture like totalitarian wannabes might well be giving us glimpses of their intentions. That brings us to European Union (E.U.) Internal

reason.com

Seriously...I have always wondered why a certain political side wants to censor all that they find unsuitable to their agenda.

Honestly...in my dear old Europe I have never seen the right-wing being obsessed with what the leftists say or don't say.
They have never tried to censor their political opponents.

Au contraire...I believe that what the European Left has been doing is desperately trying to censor what the rightists say.
For years.

I don't understand the reason why they are obsessed with censorship.
I couldn't care less what the other political parties say...I mean...I am 100% convinced about my own ideas, so I don't feel threatened by what other people say.
I am happy if others are free to express the ideas I disagree with. If they are interesting, I can reflect about them.

I believe that the desire of censoring others is symptom of insecurity.
What do you guys think?

So do you believe that your church should grant a satanist's request to give a sermon there? Also, the right absolutely tries to censor things they don't like. Like at republicans trying to ban LGBT books, cancel drag shows, etc.

 

[Estro Felino]

So you do you believe that your church should grant a satanist's request to give a sermon there? Also, the right absolutely tries to censor things they don't like. Like at republicans trying to ban LGBT books, cancel drag shows, etc.

The Italian right hates censorship.
They have been writing tons of articles about the sex activities in the Senate hearing room.
It's something Italians will laugh about for the next 50 years.

 

[McBell]

I think that parents have the right to decide the education of their own children and prevent them from reading pornographic books.

I completely agree that some censorship is not only okay, but warranted.
The thing is...
It is still censorship

 

[Father Heathen]

Everywhere in the media. TV...anything. People can't say anything, basically.
You should see our TV. They are incredibly outspoken, and there's not even the bleeping out or whatever is called.

For private platforms and networks, it's bad for business to spread disinformation and bigotry, and they're not obligated to provide a soapbox to imbeciles. Twitter has become a ****hole after Elon allowed nazis to run amuck. Normal, sane people don't want to deal with such toxicity and nonsense.

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Again, the government shouldn't censor speech, but nobody else is obligated to provide anyone an audience.

 

[Viker]

The Italian right hates censorship.
They have been writing tons of articles about the sex activities in the Senate hearing room.
It's something Italians will laugh about for the next 50 years.

So? Write away. I can think of more important things to do. Like actually combating censorship, bigotry and bike-hate. Why do people hate bikes? Doesn't matter if it's a bicycle or motorcycle people are full of hate.

 

[Father Heathen]

The Italian right hates censorship.
They have been writing tons of articles about the sex activities in the Senate hearing room.
It's something Italians will laugh about for the next 50 years.

Such a silly, trivial thing to obsess about.
But anyway, your forgot to answer my question: So do you believe that your church should grant a satanist's request to give a sermon there?

Bonus question: Do you consider the following game to be cultural appropriation?:

 

[Estro Felino]

Normal, sane people don't want to deal with such toxicity and nonsense.

That's the point.
As I was saying in the OP, intolerance towards other people's opinions is symptom of insecurity.
I would never censor anyone anywhere, because I couldn't care less what other people think. It's their head. Not mine.


I am so confident, that I care about my own ideas only.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Do you consider the following game to be cultural appropriation?

Apropos of nothing, I saw a Ricky Gervais special. You probably know who that is, but for those who don't, he's a white, British comedian who likes to be topical and edgy. He was joking about black culture appropriating white culture by using the N-word: "Hey! We invented that!"

Another thing he said that I thought was funny and which is more relevant to the OP's topic of censorship was, "Today, you can become instantly cancelled for saying that women don't have penises. It might be the most inflammatory thing a person could say right now. Ten years ago, nobody would have batted an eye at that. Of course, we never said it then because we didn't think we needed to."

 

[Father Heathen]

That's the point.
As I was saying in the OP, intolerance towards other people's opinions is symptom of insecurity.
I would never censor anyone anywhere, because I couldn't care less what other people think. It's their head. Not mine.


I am so confident, that I care about my own ideas only.

Do you actually think RF would be better if it were unmoderated?

 

[Father Heathen]

As far as I know, they just want their children not to read them.
That's not censorship.
Censorship is when I prevent someone from publishing something.

Nope. Banning books from libraries most certainly is censorship. It one thing for someone to not want their own children reading certain books, but that doesn't make it right to prevent everyone else from accessing them. It can be argued that the bible is pornographic, so should it be banned from libraries?
The right hates free speech.

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't discuss these things.

I just said that I would never prevent anyone from expressing their political ideas.
Nevertheless I have seen so many people wanting to prevent me from expressing mine.

Are you going to answer this question?: So do you believe that your church should grant a satanist's request to give a sermon there?

 

[Estro Felino]

Are you going to answer this question?: So do you believe that your church should grant a satanist's request to give a sermon there?

You should ask the Vatican.
I am not the Vatican.

 

[Father Heathen]

You should ask the Vatican.
I am not the Vatican.

I'm not seeking the Vatican's opinion. I'm seeking yours. The fact that you refuse to answer suggests that you have double standards when it comes to free speech.

 

[Father Heathen]

@f

I doubt that you're interested in my opinion.
You never were. Am I wrong?

I'm assuming that - because you're all for free speech and anti-censorship - that you would be absolutely delighted if your church granted a satanist's request to give a sermon. Of course you would be, because you're not a two-faced hypocrite, right?

Btw, you never answered my cultural appropriation question, either.

 

[Estro Felino]

@f

I'm assuming that - because you're all for free speech and anti-censorship - that you would be absolutely delighted if your church granted a satanist's request to give a sermon. Of course you would be, because you're not a two-faced hypocrite, right?

Btw, you never answered my cultural appropriation question, either.

The point of the thread is to demonstrate that leftists enjoy censoring others' opinions.
Rightists don't censor anybody.
Period.
If you want to stay on topic, prove me wrong.