Oculus
J A F O
You reap what you sow. If you encourage such behavior that is exactly what you will get.
I waited until I was 21. It can be done, if one is disciplined.
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What Is the Purpose of Sex Offender Registries?
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I waited until I was 21. It can be done, if one is disciplined.
jonathan180iq
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They aren't overly biased against sexual behavior?Someone in this thread is fighting awfully hard for the perverts.
I wonder why that is.....
Scott C.
Just one guy
Riiight.
I don't follow the stats on this. Is there evidence that a sex offender who went to prison is likely to repeat when he's out?
McBell
Unbound
You disagree that there are people who do not bother to gather information beyond a name on the list?
Then those who go further and harass those on the list?
And then those who go even further and physically assault those on the list?
Because they think they are pedophiles and they are "protecting" their children?
Interesting world you must live in.
Perhaps you can come visit us in reality sometime.
McBell
Unbound
Um...Someone in this thread is fighting awfully hard for the perverts.
I wonder why that is.....
They prefer facts, truth, and reason over bias, prejudice, and warm fuzzy feeling?
GoodbyeDave
Well-Known Member
Why bother? I didn't see the point when I was a teenager and I can't see it now. I suspect that hiding behind the religious tag "whatev" is some sort of Christian. Odd, since most of them are only too eager to boast of their belief.
You disagree with one or more of those statements? Provide the evidence that any of those assertions is erroneous.
Then why do you advocate for a measure that has been shown to increase recidivism?
And why does the comparatively low rate of recidivism of sex offenders provoke your outrage when other criminals have a much higher recidivism rate?
Where have you gotten that idea? Provide the evidence by which to draw that conclusion.[/QUOTE]
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(1) Even the worst criminals are deserving of commonplace human and constitutional rights. This is often not happening for those convicted of crimes that trigger registration as a sex offender, despite the fact that usually these people have not committed the worst sorts of crimes. The Court has allowed those convicted of crimes classified as sex offenses to be subjected to ex post facto laws and violations of ordinary due process rights on the obviously erroneous premise that such post-release measures are not punitive. People convicted of murder are not denied these constitutional rights.
(2) To advocate against senseless measures such as sex offender registries, which have been shown to be associated with increased recidivism, and to advocate for rational measures such as treatment, which has been shown to greatly reduce recidivism of sex offenders, is to advocate for the safety of everyone.
Because sexual offenders often get away with the crime. The sexual offender promotes the guilt of the party they are offending. The sexual offender makes the offended feel as if they are partly to blame. The offenses can go on for years before the sexual offender is found. Because of the sexual offenders ability to shift blame to the offended a third party is necessary. A registration allows for loved ones or friends to look out for those at risk.
I don't go looking day to day at the sexual offender's list but if my 17 year old daughter came home with a 30 year old man you bet I would check it.
PS Your numbers are small because most offender's get away with the crime. The offended are to ashamed to press charges or not believe because of status. The registration allows me to protect my loved one's from known manipulators.
Perditus
へびつかい座
What question are you attempting to answer with this reply?
Sex offender registries cannot possibly have an effect on the fact that most sex offenses are not prosecuted. Sex offender registries cannot possibly increase the number of prosecuted offenses.
So, again, I ask: Why do you advocate for a measure that has been shown to increase recidivism of sex offenders?
And why does the comparatively low rate of recidivism of sex offenders provoke your outrage when other criminals have a much higher recidivism rate?
What "numbers" of mine are you talking about? Quote them, and cite your evidence that leads to whatever conclusion you asserting.
See the findings on Megan's law in the OP. Provide any evidence you have to the contrary.
No, there isn't. And many people who are required to register as sex offenders have not committed a sexual assault, but are required to register because of "crimes" where they had no physical contact whatsoever with another person (e.g., urinating in public; indecent exposure; voyeurism), or consensual sex between teenagers.
It's worse to be murdered than to glimpse a guy urinating behind a bush. It's worse to be murdered than to be sexually assaulted. Non-sexual assaults are oftentimes more injurious than sexual assaults. People who are required to register as sex offenders have often committed much less injurious crimes than people who are not subjected to any post-release regulations.
Perditus
へびつかい座
You might want to talk to the victims of this crime before you make this leap.
Murder is bad, yes, but so is living with being forcibly sexually violated. The trauma is profound.
Good Lord, my spelling has gone to hell.
From a previous reply, If I can protect one love one or friend it is worth the cost.
Brian Schuh
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Look, sex offender registries did me a lot of good. I was the victim of a same gender child molester. When I turned 18, I prosecuted him. When I was 17, I was diagnosed with PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) which got me a disability check. The whole town, including the prosecutor, refused to believe me that the man was guilty. But based on a confession he had made to children services when I was 15, the judge convicted him. He only had to serve 2 1/2 months of a 4 1/2 year prison sentence. His crime was expunged. Over the years, so many people would rather believe that I was gay, then to believe that he was a child molester. The fact is, that I am not gay. Also, my PTSD diagnosis was changed to schizophrenia, because they saw that I really believed I was molested and later raped. The fact is, I was. This lack of justice, absolutely ruined not only my ability to work in the workforce, but also my love life. It was easier for my hometown to believe me to be a gay schizophrenic, than to believe their beloved high school principle liked to molest boys. I finally started to recover, many years later, when the state of Florida registered him as a sex offender and a predator. Now my psychiatrist knows I am not a schizophrenic. Too late, I'm already addicted to anti-psychotics. Being thought of as gay, didn't stop me from having sex with 42 women in my life, 3 of them long term relationships, but because of PTSD and a bad reputation, I have never been able to marry. Now look, the sex offender in this case, his reputation was more important than mine. If it wasn't for his registration as a sex offender, there would be no justice in this case. The whole ordeal, ruined my life. And I just try to enjoy my disability $ to make my life as comfortable as possible. And I drink a lot.
I made no leap. It is worst to be murdered than to glimpse a guy urinating behind a bush.
So, you can present no evidence that sex offender registries are effective in reducing recidivism, or that the studies showing sex offender registries are associated with increased recidivism are erroneous?
What are you talking about? You're a prosecutor? In what jurisdiction?
Brian Schuh
Well-Known Member
No, I mean I worked with detectives and prosecutors. The victim is typically the prosecuting witness. A witness who prosecutes isn't the prosecutor in the sense of what a prosecutor typically means.
Perditus
へびつかい座
Please re-read my posts. I was referring to victims of sexual assault, not flashers.